[PGT] Chicago beats Calgary in OT

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by saillias

What's this about young players? they don't even have any. "Zohorna" dude is older than Tkachuk what are we talking about

He's talking about Dube, Mangiapane too

Guys with 1-6 years in the league is what he said, I think that was a partial quote in here for maximum outrage.

Lindholm, Huberdeau, Kadri, Lucic, Toffoli was all the offence on this night.

Could have had some others step up...like how many chances does Mangiapane need?

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by saillias

What's this about young players? they don't even have any. "Zohorna" dude is older than Tkachuk what are we talking about

He said they'd been in the league 1-6 years, which is pretty much just Dube, Mangiapanne, Ruzicka, and Zahorna I think. Hanifin is a similar age bracket but with more experience.

[direwolf]

Only saw the first period, and I’m glad to have missed the rest. Pretty embarrassing to lose to a bottom feeder like that, especially when the team is desperate for points right now.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Well that effort should get Pelletier in next game

Yes, and scratch Mangiapane for a game. Make him watch and think about the half assed effort he is putting in half the time. His motor is nowhere near what it was last year, he turns it on occasionally but he just got a big context to score goals. Sit and think about it.

[Draug]

Originally Posted by zamler

We just lost to the worst team in the league how is that not a disaster? Some of you crack me up.

Agreed. Flames have zero wins against Montreal, Columbus, and Chicago.

That's a symptom of a bigger problem.

Hopefully, it can be solved.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

now watch Boston lose to Anaheim and 90% of people in here are forced to take pause on the "embarrassing loss" thing

every team loses to opponents they on paper should not lose to

key is making that an infrequent thing

Flames have beaten more basement teams than theyve lost to. the couple losses just stick out very clearly

Boston is 32-4-4 & just beat Anaheim 7-1.
I don't think using Boston to illustrate your point worked very well.

[Traditional_Ale]

There is nothing about this team that gives me any hope of winning a cup. Nothing.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Meh, markstrom was shakey from the start.

Huberdeau is just so very average. Thought Kadri was brutal too.

Sucks to be trying to get into a groove and climb the standings when you take loser points against the worst team in the league

Kadri had 7 shots on goal, Huby with 3. Two goals combined. They were not the issue tonight.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Draug

Agreed. Flames have zero wins against Montreal, Columbus, and Chicago.

That's a symptom of a bigger problem.

Hopefully, it can be solved.

They play Chicago two more times...win them and that is 5 of 6 points against them

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Sucks to be trying to get into a groove and climb the standings when you take loser points against the worst team in the league

Would you prefer they lost in regulation?

I don't get the hate for the loser point.

Regular season is a points league, not a win league. They got half of what they came for, but people act like they got nothing.

Yes it sucks to not get both against a trash team, but the point keeps them secure in a playoff spot tonight, tomorrow(no matter what happens) and they will play again on Tuesday in a playoff spot.

Take the point, be happy there were plenty of good things done and move onto Tuesday.

Dwelling on the past or thinking that losing in overtime is some kind of indication that that will amount to playoff failure seems awfully silly to me.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They play Chicago two more times...win them and that is 5 of 6 points against them

Not good enough. Didnt you know that people here expect the Flames to beat all the bad teams 8-0 in all games or else that means Sutter is a trash coach and this team is trash and going nowhere.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Huberdeau and Kadri actually scored goals in this game...seems like an odd two to call out.

Just because guys scored in a game doesn't mean they can't suck.

Connor and Leon say hi.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Just because guys scored in a game doesn't mean they can't suck.

Connor and Leon say hi.

Well don't be rude, say hi back

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Would you prefer they lost in regulation?

I don't get the hate for the loser point.

Regular season is a points league, not a win league. They got half of what they came for, but people act like they got nothing.

Yes it sucks to not get both against a trash team, but the point keeps them secure in a playoff spot tonight, tomorrow(no matter what happens) and they will play again on Tuesday in a playoff spot.

Take the point, be happy there were plenty of good things done and move onto Tuesday.

Dwelling on the past or thinking that losing in overtime is some kind of indication that that will amount to playoff failure seems awfully silly to me.

The team has lost 22 games and only won 19. They’re not showing anything that should have anyone believing that they’re built for the playoffs.

Do they have the goaltending to win a series? No. The goaltending certainly isn’t showing that. Also, the last playoff series this #1 goalie was in - he more or less lost it for the team.

Do they have special teams that can win a series? Nope. Bottom of the league PP.

Are they incredible defensively or offensively? 22nd in GF/GP and 14th in GA/GP.

Also, this franchise has put its fans through plenty of years of being a bubble team where all we have to hope for is magically putting together something in the playoffs and it never happens. We got 1989, and then we got a big L in 2004. Nothing in between, and nothing since - so it only makes sense that fans are down on the team in a mediocre season like this, and after dropping a game to a team like that.

Being critical of those who are critical makes little sense to me. They have the larger data set to show that this team generally doesn’t make the right decisions. Those people who are being critical are also some of the loudest when given a reason to celebrate. When a fan base has endured as much losing as this one has, those fans will always be a bit quicker to trash poor performances.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

There is nothing about this team that gives me any hope of winning a cup. Nothing.

They have another half-season to get it together, but the team has shown zero signs of being a cup caliber team so far. They have played like a bubble team headed for an early playoffs exit.

They need their big players to show up like big players in the second half.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The team has lost 22 games and only won 19. They’re not showing anything that should have anyone believing that they’re built for the playoffs.

8 of those 22 have come in either 3 on 3 or shootout. Last I checked, they don't play those in playoffs.

Flames seem to be quite comfortable playing 5 on 5 one goal games, you know, the stuff that actually happens in the playoffs.

People put way too much stock in what happens in overtime/shootout. It's a tiebreaking scenario that really isn't real hockey. It obviously sucks to lose this many but it's not indicative of some bigger problem that people are determined to make a thing.

[SuperMatt18]

Sutter critical of Markstrom and "Young" players tonight.

But 4 of the 5 worst players were his favourites and really none of them that young.

Zorhorna - 20.7% xGF -2
Zadorov- 22.7% xGF -1
Stone- 23.9% xGF -1
Lewis- 24.9% xGF -2
Toffoli- 28.3% xGF -1

So not sure what young guys were to blame.

Personally im not a fan of Zohorna. But hes big so fits the coaches needs over a Pelletier or Phillips.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

8 of those 22 have come in either 3 on 3 or shootout. Last I checked, they don't play those in playoffs.

Flames seem to be quite comfortable playing 5 on 5 one goal games, you know, the stuff that actually happens in the playoffs.

People put way too much stock in what happens in overtime/shootout. It's a tiebreaking scenario that really isn't real hockey. It obviously sucks to lose this many but it's not indicative of some bigger problem that people are determined to make a thing.

Of their 41 games, they have won 16 in regulation. They're 18th in the league in 5v5 wins, with Buffalo right behind them and several games in hand, so more like 19th in the league in 5v5 wins.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

8 of those 22 have come in either 3 on 3 or shootout. Last I checked, they don't play those in playoffs.

Flames seem to be quite comfortable playing 5 on 5 one goal games, you know, the stuff that actually happens in the playoffs.

People put way too much stock in what happens in overtime/shootout. It's a tiebreaking scenario that really isn't real hockey. It obviously sucks to lose this many but it's not indicative of some bigger problem that people are determined to make a thing.

Yeah the abnormal OT record actually likely is deflating their position right now

Flames are 3-8 in OT/SO. Knights are 8-2. Kings are 7-6. Kraken 4-4.

Meaning that in regulation games the Flames are 16-14, while the Knights are 19-13, Kings are 16-14 and Kraken are 18-12.

Really the poor OT record is the difference between being in one of the division playoff spots and not right now.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah the abnormal OT record actually likely is deflating their position right now

Flames are 3-8 in OT/SO. Knights are 8-2. Kings are 7-6. Kraken 4-4.

Meaning that in regulation games the Flames are 16-14, while the Knights are 19-13, Kings are 16-14 and Kraken are 18-12.

Really the poor OT record is the difference between being in one of the division playoff spots and not right now.

Only if you leave the Oilers out. They're 19-17 in regulation. If it were just points for 5v5, the Flames are still 4th in what seems to be generally considered a weak division.