Does Treliving deserve to be extended?

[Bingo]

Was pretty sure the silent majority would delivery a pretty large "Yes"

[PuckSlap]

Nope. What has he accomplished?

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[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Which GM would you rather have that is currently available? He's a good GM; top quartile for sure.

I have always wanted Davidson to come in as president and him and Gorton could be a good combo. I would give Davidson full control though and he could hire whoever he wanted.Any team Davidson has run has drafted and developed very, very good. It would have to be the best guy out there type scenario.Not some company lacky like Conroy.

[Bonded]

He will have another job if he doesn't extend

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Bonded

He will have another job if he doesn't extend

Yes, at BPS.

[Igottago]

I think he gets offered a short 3 year extension, but that doesn't mean he accepts it. It kind of makes sense for the organization to keep him at the helm for this build of the team. He has earned that much IMO, given what he managed to do after the crazy situation of losing 2 star players within a week of eachother. But if this build of the team doesn't yield decent playoff results the next couple of seasons, someone else will get a chance to rebuild.

[Flaming Horse]

Hire John Davidson and give him total control. I think he would be a great choice. You hire him and let him pick his own mgt team and scouts. Our scouting staff alone with Tod Button needs to be refreshed.

[Bleeding Red]

John Davidson?? The president of those wildly successful clubs - 2012-2019 Columbus Blue Jackets, the 2019 NY Rangers, and the 2006-2012 St. Louis blues, and again the current CBJ?


Not really an improvement on BT.

[zukes]

The grass is not greener. Only one team wins in this league every year. Tre was dealt a horrible hand and on paper he did far better than anyone could have imagined. The team looks like it should round into form to be a menace at the very least in the playoffs.

He has made some mistakes, but in this business, show me someone who hasn't. It is near impossible to know how a human being will perform in a given situation. James Neal signing is a perfect example. That looked like a no-brainer signing and it turned out to be horrible. Getting Lucic for him turned out to be an absolute steal. Yes, Lucic isn't worth his contract, but he is worth a whole lot more than out of hockey James Neal who managed a whopping 4 points in 19 games last year in the NHL with the Blues and wasn't even a point per game player in the AHL last year (26 points in 28 games and an Oiler like -1).

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by zukes

The grass is not greener. Only one team wins in this league every year. Tre was dealt a horrible hand and on paper he did far better than anyone could have imagined.

He is the prime reason he had to deal with the offseason mess. He lost control of Gaudreau by allowing him to play out his contract and he gave Tkachuk the bridge deal and simply didn't read that the player wanted to play in the USA. Everything many fans had said for years about Gaudreau and Tkachuk wanting to go to US teams came true and it's almost like the GM was blindsided by that possibility. Like I said before he may have been in a situation with ownership where trading Gaudreau for assets and and making the team worse in the interim wasn't a possibility due to ownership only caring about making the playoffs year to year. However that's speculation as for all we know Treliving has autonomy and gambled on both players returning. Either way the "horrible hand" was entirely created by the Flames ownership/management.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He is the prime reason he had to deal with the offseason mess. He lost control of Gaudreau by allowing him to play out his contract and he gave Tkachuk the bridge deal and simply didn't read that the player wanted to play in the USA. Like I said before he may have been in a situation with ownership where trading Gaudreau for assets and and making the team worse in the interim wasn't a possibility due to ownership only caring about making the playoffs year to year. However that's speculation as for all we know Treliving has autonomy and gambled on both players returning. Either way the "horrible hand" was entirely created by the Flames ownership/managment.

Leaving who's call it was out of it (we just don't know).

Would other GMs/Owners have done either of the following?

1) Sign Gaudreau off of back to back seasons of under a point per game to a star level contract
2) Trade Gaudreau at the deadline with the team in first place

I think 1) is likely in some markets with many a contract heading straight to the regret pile. 2) is no way in hell.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Leaving who's call it was out of it (we just don't know).

Would other GMs/Owners have done either of the following?

1) Sign Gaudreau off of back to back seasons of under a point per game to a star level contract
2) Trade Gaudreau at the deadline with the team in first place

I think 1) is likely in some markets with many a contract heading straight to the regret pile. 2) is no way in hell.

Or the 3rd option, trade Gaudreau before the 2021 season began and it was known that he was going to ride out the season as a pending UFA. We knew for a while that Gaudreau wasn't going to negotiate during the season and that was a red flag. He would have brought a nice haul with a full season left on his contract.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He is the prime reason he had to deal with the offseason mess. He lost control of Gaudreau by allowing him to play out his contract and he gave Tkachuk the bridge deal and simply didn't read that the player wanted to play in the USA. Everything many fans had said for years about Gaudreau and Tkachuk wanting to go to US teams came true and it's almost like the GM was blindsided by that possibility. Like I said before he may have been in a situation with ownership where trading Gaudreau for assets and and making the team worse in the interim wasn't a possibility due to ownership only caring about making the playoffs year to year. However that's speculation as for all we know Treliving has autonomy and gambled on both players returning. Either way the "horrible hand" was entirely created by the Flames ownership/management.

I think the whole Pandemic thing as many have said was a big factor in affirming some of the go back to the States preferences. Sure hindsight is 20/20 and Tre could have locked them up earlier, but he didn't know a Pandemic was coming that would radically change things . Sure, he gambled, it was calculated based on the info he had at the time, and then boom went the dynamite and everything changed.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Leaving who's call it was out of it (we just don't know).

Would other GMs/Owners have done either of the following?

1) Sign Gaudreau off of back to back seasons of under a point per game to a star level contract
2) Trade Gaudreau at the deadline with the team in first place

I think 1) is likely in some markets with many a contract heading straight to the regret pile. 2) is no way in hell.

Clearly most GM's would have signed him or traded him for assets. The Tavares/Gaudreau situation of letting him play out his contract and losing him for nothing is pretty rare for a reason.

[Hot_Flatus]

Whether you think he deserves it or not, it will ultimately come down to whether or not he truly wants to stay. His negative moves have, for the most part, been outweighed by the positive moves and I highly doubt another GM comes in and turns this team into something drastically better than it currently is unless the Flames go big game hunting. This is something we typically don't see out of this ownership group.

As a family man with local ties, my money is one him happily extending for 2-3 years to try and bring this thing over the line.

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

John Davidson?? The president of those wildly successful clubs - 2012-2019 Columbus Blue Jackets, the 2019 NY Rangers, and the 2006-2012 St. Louis blues, and again the current CBJ?


Not really an improvement on BT.

The reason the blues won the cup was in large part to the players he brought in and drafted and Columbus was starting to have success until ownership wouldn't put up the money. If you look into he is a very smart and respected man in the hockey community but you gotta look at very recent success of these teams shortly after he left. The rangers were even having a big turnaround until he was let go. He would be the type of guy you would want to build a team from the ground up. Tre has had more than enough time and the team has done squat. Rushed the rebuild, has had endless funds from ownership and keeps on believing the team is better than what it actually is.

[Erick Estrada]

It's kind of funny but the Treliving situation kind of mirrors the Gaudreau situation. Contracts left to expire and talks expected to happen after the season. Maybe he loves his job and the Flames ownership loves him and this is all just a formality. However if the Flames ownership has told him they will get back to him at the end of the season then why wouldn't he want to take a look at what's available. Why would he take Murray Edwards 3 year extension at likely a lower than average GM salary if the Leafs are willing to give him 5 years and make him one of the highest paid GM's in the league? It's definitely going to be an interesting scenario that could play out several ways.

[Toonage]

So, if the possibility exists that he doesn't re-sign, do the Flames let him handle the deadline? We might get clarity on this in the next 8 weeks.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Toonage

So, if the possibility exists that he doesn't re-sign, do the Flames let him handle the deadline? We might get clarity on this in the next 8 weeks.

I suppose it all depends on if you believe the some of the speculation/comments about how Sutter has a large say over roster moves.

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's kind of funny but the Treliving situation kind of mirrors the Gaudreau situation. Contracts left to expire and talks expected to happen after the season. Maybe he loves his job and the Flames ownership loves him and this is all just a formality. However if the Flames ownership has told him they will get back to him at the end of the season then why wouldn't he want to take a look at what's available. Why would he take Murray Edwards 3 year extension at likely a lower than average GM salary if the Leafs are willing to give him 5 years and make him one of the highest paid GM's in the league? It's definitely going to be an interesting scenario that could play out several ways.

Some good points and ownership has almost always gone the cheaper route in hiring coaches and gms in the past. The intriguing part is why Sutter was given an extension right away and Tre is left without one right now. Could Sutter be given both roles again. This could get interesting and we have seen this movie before. Would we want to see the same movie again