Does Treliving deserve to be extended?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

The team is in its contention window now. Tre at the very least deserves to stay and see this through.

As someone who doesn’t think Tre has done a good job , I agree . If you were letting him navigate the offseason you let him see it through for the next 2-3 years

That’s why it so weird he didn’t sign an extension in the offseason unless it’s his choice

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No Johnny was offered a fair deal for what he was providing at the time, he decided to bet on himself. His family even said they thought the offer was too low. Would you have signed Johnny to a long term extension at over 9 million a season that offseason?

Half of the fans had him traded to Philly for Morgan Frost and other junk. Johnny's value was as low as it could be at that point it would have been a fire able offence to sign a guy pacing at 60 points for the type of money he was commanding.

That’s why you have a GM and don’t let fans run the team. It was an error in hindsight . I’m not sure why you can’t acknowledge that.

Lots of team lock up younger players for what fans think are overpayments . Some work and some don’t . Some GMs decide not to “overpay” and it can be a smart or poor decision

With JG it was a mistake

[Reggie Dunlop]

There's a number of big contracts that will not age well. I suspect he leaves someone else to mop up.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

i still cringe when i think of that Hamonic trade, his lowest point i feel. about as bad a trade this franchise has made excluding Gilmour of course. I would be concerned who the Flames would end up getting if they fired him though.

*cough* Brouwer *cough*

[Jason14h]

I think Hamonic was worst . Brouwer “only” cost us $

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I think Hamonic was worst . Brouwer “only” cost us $

Brouwer led to Neal which has led to Lucic.

His two worst moves.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Well if the alternative is Sutter I think he should stay 100%.

People say this like Darryl didn’t trade for Kiprusoff, sign Gio, extend Iggy three different times, turn Gauthier and Saprykin into Langkow, find Huselius for free, get 176 points out of Rene Bourque, etc.

He was a terrible drafter, and his trades in the back half of his tenure were too desperate, but he wasn’t wrong to turn his secondary draft capital into players he thought would help Iggy, Kipper and Regehr get across the line.

Darryl only traded a 1st round pick once - for the Jokinen trade. If anything, he should’ve traded it more. Nemisz, Chucko, Irving, Pelech, and Erixon were all objectively terrible pros. We would’ve been better off trading those picks for veterans at the deadline or draft, like we did with Cammalleri - though that was a pick swap with LA 3-way with Montreal to move Tanguay.

Don’t get it twisted, I don’t want him in the big chair again. I do think it’s funny that Gio, Brodie and Backlund were three of our five or six most important players within 18 months of Sutter’s return, and he brought them here in the first place.

[shadowlord]

One thing I've noticed about Tre is that he seems to identify that team needs and what we, as fans, seem to think and then goes out and gets them.

When CP thought we needed a goalie, he went out and got Markstrom. When we thought we needed a RW and a 3rd line centre, he got Toffoli and Jarnkrok. Now, not all the deals have ended up working out the way we'd all hoped, but at the time they were made, there was agreement that Brad had made the right move.

I found this to be more encouraging as a fan than when Feaster or Sutter's (as GM) big move would be get some depth defenseman or something.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

I think Hamonic was worst . Brouwer “only” cost us $

Cap space has value.

[Jason14h]

And maybe that’s actually the problem and why the team hasn’t had a lot of playoff success- That BT is constantly chasing the next hole to “plug”

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

That’s why you have a GM and don’t let fans run the team. It was an error in hindsight . I’m not sure why you can’t acknowledge that.

Lots of team lock up younger players for what fans think are overpayments . Some work and some don’t . Some GMs decide not to “overpay” and it can be a smart or poor decision

With JG it was a mistake

So you would be have patted him on the back in August 2021 if he signed a small player who was pacing at 60 points the past 3 seasons to a 8 year deal at 9 million per season?

Or would you have thought it was mistake at the time? This is prior to him having everything come together with his 115 point season.

It wasn't just his on ice performance that sucked, his off ice commitment to training and everything else has been questionable.

[GreenLantern2814]

And yes, Treliving deserves to stay and see this through - nobody else in the league would’ve turned the Gaudreau/Tkachuk situation into Huberdeau, Weegar and Kadri.

That was some Star Trek III Captain Kirk “I swear to you, we’re not finished yet” level defiance on Bradagast’s part.

[FanIn80]

I am quite happy with him being in charge of trades and re-signing players etc. I just think we need someone else in charge of the team direction and valuation.

I was just as excited about the deals he made in the offseason as everyone else was... But in hindsight, this would have been the perfect season to sell everything for draft picks after Tkachuk and Gaudreau left.

We needed someone to set that as the direction for the club, and then let Tree do his thing to get the trades done.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Locke

Cap space has value.

Sure - But losing a mid first and 2 seconds Vs a 1.5 cap hit buyout they had to eat (and 2 useless seasons)

Both were really bad asset uses at a time when we had young controllable talent

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So you would be have patted him on the back in August 2021 if he signed a small player who was pacing at 60 points the past 3 seasons to a 8 year deal at 9 million per season?

Or would you have thought it was mistake at the time? This is prior to him having everything come together with his 115 point season.

It wasn't just his on ice performance that sucked, his off ice commitment to training and everything else has been questionable.

Yes. Johnny at 8x$9M in 2021 would have been a steal, because the problem with Gaudreau was in no small part rooted in Monahan aging 18 years in 18 months.

Which was obvious to everyone going back to the Peters season, and even more obvious once Tkachuk and Lindholm were put on his line.

Johnny Gaudreau has been one of the ten most offensively gifted players in the league since he entered it.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So you would be have patted him on the back in August 2021 if he signed a small player who was pacing at 60 points the past 3 seasons to a 8 year deal at 9 million per season?

Or would you have thought it was mistake at the time? This is prior to him having everything come together with his 115 point season.

It wasn't just his on ice performance that sucked, his off ice commitment to training and everything else has been questionable.

No I wouldn’t have been happy . (We’ll with Calgarys inability to keep high end talent and the fact we played him with Ritchie I would have thought it was an overpay vs Not Happy)

That doesn’t mean it wasn’t a mistake.

There are lots of moves GMs have made over the years that made me happy that we’re also mistakes

Every GM will make mistakes. This was one of BTs.

How you are unable to acknowledge it was a mistake in hindsight is perplexing . The fact the Flames attempted to then sign him for 20% more then they could have a year before is evidence enough it was a mistake

[FlamesAddiction]

Not re-signing Gaudreau early wasn't the main issue. The main issue was letting him walk to free agency. As soon as Gaudreau said he didn't want to talk contract until the end of the season, he should have been traded. Calgary is not a team that can afford to let franchise players in the prime go for nothing. You just don't take those risks as if you are a New York or Miami that can always lure a replacement.

I realize it would have been unpopular with some fans, but the GM's job is to make the best asset management decisions and not fan-pleasing. He took a huge risk and it backfired.

Whatever though. I don't think that alone should ruin his legacy or anything like that. It was just a bad decision. And before anyone talks about hindsight and that, a lot of people were in favour of trading him as well. It became less so after seeing how well the team was doing and obviously you can't dismantle a team at that point, but it should have been done before the season started.

[Jason14h]

The GMs job isn’t (usually) to do the best asset management . It is usually to try and win a cup

Trading JG with where the team was only works if it was a situation like MT. Coming off a down year you were getting a late first and an average roster player . Contenders getting a rental aren’t giving up a young cost controlled valuable asset

[saillias]

Yes. Pretty afraid of where this org would go without him. History with this franchise suggests they can make very poor choices here.

Don't really know John Bean. Murray Edwards seems to side step him to get involved in hockey decisions which I don't like. I preferred having Burke up there providing a degree of separation between hockey ops and ownership. Would like to return to that structure in some way. If Brad wants a promotion to President of Hockey Ops so be it but I would prefer him being the GM.

[Strange Brew]

Treliving wanted to buy out Neal with four years left on his deal and ownership nixed it. That's the story I heard. Signing Neal was bad enough, but imagine that buyout hanging around for 8 years. Maybe we should be glad some business people are involved in certain decisions.