Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

I wonder if Mustafa was getting married to Carolina from Venezuela or Brianne from Chilliwack.

Sounded a lot funnier in your head I bet.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Sounded a lot funnier in your head I bet.

You mean for Pierre to tell that bullkyit story... loser

How many strokes are you going to have when Trudeau wins another election?? lol

[PeteMoss]

I don't think cars in particularly are going to have a giant impact on the grid just based on when they'll be charged. Sure there will be some people who need to charge all the time or during the day - but its a small percentage of people. 95% of personal vehicle charging will occur at night I'd bet when energy usage is lot lower. They'll be able to drive charging time for people to when they have availability. People drive across town to save $0.03/litre on gas - they'll charge their car when its cheapest as well.

Its just a completely different mindset then what we have now. Currently - we fill up our tanks and then drive around until we notice we are low and then fill it again. With EVs - you are pretty much always starting at full and 99% of drives for 95% of people will not have to charge until the lower demand charging time.

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1610411016529276928

[Fuzz]

Buggy whip factories across the province are trembling.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

They'll be able to drive charging time for people to when they have availability. People drive across town to save $0.03/litre on gas - they'll charge their car when its cheapest as well.

Alberta and much of Canada will need smarter meters and time-of-use tracking which a lot of people find annoying.


And if it's like many places that implemented it, what ends up happening is rates when you need to use electricity for all other tasks goes way up while the off-peak rates are still pretty high.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by accord1999

Alberta and much of Canada will need smarter meters and time-of-use tracking which a lot of people find annoying.

With smart EV chargers, it'd be pretty trivial to incentivize off-peak usage. The simplest would be offering cheap electricity rates for EV charging at off-peak times. You wouldn't need time of use rates for everything; they'd just need to track EV usage and adjust your bill accordingly.

And long term, utilities will likely incentivize customers handing over partial control of their charging to them in order to allow them to balance loads. So basically, the user would plug their vehicle in and set the time they want to be charged by, and then the utility could schedule everything to make best use of resources. BC Hydro already has a program like that in place for thermostats and EV charging, but it's pretty limited so far. Conspiracy theorists will have a field day, but in the end if the incentives are good enough, most people would probably be willing to go that way.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1610411016529276928

What bugs me about this tweet is that she doesn’t explain what the bill is and doesn’t explain what is bad about whatever it is. So without knowing what it is or how energy workers will be impacted how do we know what she is talking about?


She may have a point, I have no idea. Conservatives need to start communicating with things like words and then having such words have meanings or points to try and convince people about their messaging.

[GGG]

The Feds are just handing out money for decarbonization rod the power grid right now and Alberta and Sask haven’t even sat down at the table because they are squabbling over federal jurisdiction on environmental regulation. How we aren’t campaigning the Feds to build nukes in Alberta and Sask where we lack the hydro resources is beyond me.

Wilkinson says the federal government is also committed to supporting provinces and territories as they decarbonize their electricity grids. Through what Wilkinson and his team call "regional energy resource tables," his office has convened one-on-one forums with nine provinces and territories to strategize ways to achieve shared net-zero goals.

Noticeably absent from the tables is Alberta — the province with the most emissions. Wilkinson says he hopes this year to bring it and another holdout, Saskatchewan, to the talks. Both provinces have expressed ongoing concerns about the federal government's environmental policies which they say encroach on their constitutional jurisdiction over natural resources.

At least Quebec knows threatening sovereignty is about extracting concessions not about sovereignty.

[Mr.Coffee]

No doubt. I think Smith thinks she is legitimately Canada’ Braveheart Mel Gibson.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by GGG

The Feds are just handing out money for decarbonization rod the power grid right now and Alberta and Sask haven’t even sat down at the table because they are squabbling over federal jurisdiction on environmental regulation. How we aren’t campaigning the Feds to build nukes in Alberta and Sask where we lack the hydro resources is beyond me.

How much money is there left, with the Feds rescuing Newfoundland from Muskrat Falls and paying a big chunk of the transmission upgrades for the Atlantic provinces? The best scenario for nuclear (outside of China) is Korean project management and technology with UAE construction costs and that's still $25B for 5.3 GW. North American costs will probably be double that in cost and take 20+ years to finish.

And what are the concessions and targets that Alberta need to make to get funding? In the same articles:

Wilkinson told CBC News the government will, he hopes, introduce early this year the long-awaited legislation to help workers in the oil and gas sector move into green energy jobs.

So it seems predicated on a forced shrinking of the oil and gas industry. But the European experience shows that these green energy jobs won't last, as their solar manufacturing industries were annihilated by China, its wind industries following behind and rising energy costs makes it other industries increasingly uncompetitive.

At least Quebec knows threatening sovereignty is about extracting concessions not about sovereignty.

Extracting concessions with as few strings attached as possible. Would Quebec take any money if it meant that some of its most ecologically devastating hydroelectric plants were forced to shutdown and their man-made reservoirs returned to their original condition? And that it would never be able to build a major hydroelectric project like the Great Whale River, even if Quebec doesn't need it at the moment it doesn't want to give that power over.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by accord1999

How much money is there left, with the Feds rescuing Newfoundland from Muskrat Falls and paying a big chunk of the transmission upgrades for the Atlantic provinces? The best scenario for nuclear (outside of China) is Korean project management and technology with UAE construction costs and that's still $25B for 5.3 GW. North American costs will probably be double that in cost and take 20+ years to finish.

And what are the concessions and targets that Alberta need to make to get funding? In the same articles:



So it seems predicated on a forced shrinking of the oil and gas industry. But the European experience shows that these green energy jobs won't last, as their solar manufacturing industries were annihilated by China, its wind industries following behind and rising energy costs makes it other industries increasingly uncompetitive.


Extracting concessions with as few strings attached as possible. Would Quebec take any money if it meant that some of its most ecologically devastating hydroelectric plants were forced to shutdown and their man-made reservoirs returned to their original condition? And that it would never be able to build a major hydroelectric project like the Great Whale River, even if Quebec doesn't need it at the moment it doesn't want to give that power over.

I think this is where Alberta is a bit different. Our O&G experience can be leveraged in all sorts of ways the Europeans and Chinese have not done. Think of things like geothermal, CCS, lithium brine mining, helium...our skills allow us the quickly move into these new areas. I'm not sure the plan is to train geologists to install solar panels.

[Superflyer]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1610411016529276928

So after actually reading the article, they are going to screw over Alberta by offering to train those in O&G so they can work in green technology fields. Those bastards!

Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson is moving ahead with two major mandate items in 2023 — introducing "just transition" legislation and finalizing a major Atlantic electricity project.

Wilkinson told CBC News the government will, he hopes, introduce early this year the long-awaited legislation to help workers in the oil and gas sector move into green energy jobs.

The proposed bill has been a lightning rod for criticism from oil-producing provinces, which worry it would be the nail in the coffin of the oil and gas industry and the thousands who rely on it for work. But Wilkinson describes the bill as an action plan for "sustainable jobs."

"I said it many times publicly that I do not believe that the challenge we are going to face is that there are workers who are displaced that will not find other good-paying jobs," Wilkinson said.

"I am actually quite worried that there are so many opportunities … we will not have enough workers to fill the jobs."

[GGG]

Originally Posted by accord1999

How much money is there left, with the Feds rescuing Newfoundland from Muskrat Falls and paying a big chunk of the transmission upgrades for the Atlantic provinces? The best scenario for nuclear (outside of China) is Korean project management and technology with UAE construction costs and that's still $25B for 5.3 GW. North American costs will probably be double that in cost and take 20+ years to finish.

And what are the concessions and targets that Alberta need to make to get funding? In the same articles:



So it seems predicated on a forced shrinking of the oil and gas industry. But the European experience shows that these green energy jobs won't last, as their solar manufacturing industries were annihilated by China, its wind industries following behind and rising energy costs makes it other industries increasingly uncompetitive.


Extracting concessions with as few strings attached as possible. Would Quebec take any money if it meant that some of its most ecologically devastating hydroelectric plants were forced to shutdown and their man-made reservoirs returned to their original condition? And that it would never be able to build a major hydroelectric project like the Great Whale River, even if Quebec doesn't need it at the moment it doesn't want to give that power over.

What concessions? The retraining package exists. The Carbon pricing exists. We are having to deal with the external costs of pollution anyways regardless of if the money is taken or not. How does not sitting at the table benefit Alberta at all. If you don’t like Nukes push Nat Gas with CCS and get money for that to decarbonize.

[Northendzone]

^ so does anyone expect green energy companies to pay comparable wages to what O&G is currently paying?

it will be interesting to see what the government thinks this "just transition" looks like. However, I am sure that wilkinson and guilbault will enjoy shutting down O&G in canada

[Fuzz]

Smith isn't interested in governing for success. She's interested in litigating every quibble she spent 3 hours on her radio show kvetching about, no matter how illogical.

[calculoso]

Hasn’t there been a mass layoff in the O&G sector in the last few years with many people still out of work? I know the price of oil has increased of late, but haven’t kept track of how Alberta employment has changed as a result. Having a retraining program seems like a great way to get people off of EI (if their benefits haven’t already elapsed) and making sure they have a future.

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Hasn’t there been a mass layoff in the O&G sector in the last few years with many people still out of work? I know the price of oil has increased of late, but haven’t kept track of how Alberta employment has changed as a result. Having a retraining program seems like a great way to get people off of EI (if their benefits haven’t already elapsed) and making sure they have a future.

hi, i am from the government and i am here to help.......

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

hi, i am from the government and i am here to help.......

Vs

I am an oil (coal) worker, will always be an oil worker even if there are no jobs. Damn government taking away my livelihood (rabble rabble rabble)

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

hi, i am from the government and i am here to help.......

This statement is a conservative own goal.

Conservatives: govt doesn't work! Vote for me and I'll reduce it!

Gets voted in. Strips govt so much that it barely functions.

Conservatives: See! Govt just doesn't work!