01-03-2023, 12:58 PM
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#21
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Something weird going on here for sure.
This guy is a friggin excellent player, but coming off lots of missed time due to a major surgery and now personal leave this season.
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01-03-2023, 12:59 PM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Mass_nerder
There's no way he gets past the Coyotes.
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Why would they want him?
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01-03-2023, 01:01 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Why would they want him?
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Free asset to be flipped for picks later
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01-03-2023, 01:02 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
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Yeah, guys like this don't go on waivers unless there's a major issue. I'm sure the other GMs know what's up and are gonna stay away.
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01-03-2023, 01:11 PM
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#25
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Was there ever any reason why he needed to enter the player assistance program, or was it kept confidential?
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01-03-2023, 01:13 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by activeStick
Free asset to be flipped for picks later
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Fair. Hadn't considered it. Still have to pay him though and they're on a budget. If he's risky at all they might not get anything for him. Might re-enter the program for example. Or refuse to report of staying near family is important to his rehab.
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01-03-2023, 01:26 PM
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#27
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Toronto
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I don't know the specifics of the situation with him and he for sure doesn't make it us but this player is EXACTLY the style of guy the Flames so desperately need, speed and a 1 shot scorer.
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01-03-2023, 01:40 PM
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#28
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by CGY12
I don't know the specifics of the situation with him and he for sure doesn't make it us but this player is EXACTLY the style of guy the Flames so desperately need, speed and a 1 shot scorer.
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He's exactly what the Flames need right now, but he's not a Sutter player.
It wouldn't make sense for Treliving to do some cap magic (e.g. suspend Kylington) to free up space for Vrana and do cap gymnastics to figure out the Flames cap situation for 2023-24, only for Sutter to continually banish Vrana to the bottom six because he isn't tough and doesn't play defense.
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01-03-2023, 02:02 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2021
Location: Richmond upon Thames, London
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Bradley, can we has?
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01-03-2023, 02:07 PM
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#30
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by boogerz
He's exactly what the Flames need right now, but he's not a Sutter player.
It wouldn't make sense for Treliving to do some cap magic (e.g. suspend Kylington) to free up space for Vrana and do cap gymnastics to figure out the Flames cap situation for 2023-24, only for Sutter to continually banish Vrana to the bottom six because he isn't tough and doesn't play defense.
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Based on his WAR card and all that, yeah I can see how he wouldn't be considered a Sutter player, but if any coach can get him to buy in to team defence, it would be Sutter.
Sutter managed to get Gudbranson a 4x4 in Columbus after all.
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01-03-2023, 02:16 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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It's possible his issue has spooked the Wings enough for them to place him on waivers which should be a red flag. Or maybe they are expecting him to go through unclaimed because of the situation? It's kind of strange.
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01-03-2023, 02:17 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
It's possible his issue has spooked the Wings enough for them to place him on waivers which should be a red flag. Or maybe they are expecting him to go through unclaimed because of the situation? It's kind of strange.
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The cap hit is pretty prohibitive, including because there is term remaining.
High cap hit+Term+Uncertainity=high possibility he goes unclaimed.
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01-03-2023, 02:20 PM
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#33
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I would imagine there are a few players Sutter has let Treliving know he'd be happy with on the team. Going to go out on a limb and suggest Vrana isn't one of them.
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01-03-2023, 02:28 PM
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#34
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
If we can put Kylington on LTIR we can take on Vrana, per my capfriendly musings.
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Kylington is NOT injured.
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01-03-2023, 02:29 PM
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#35
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Sutter is the guy who traded for Huselius. You never know with him. I don't think he necessarily dislikes one-dimensional players if there are filling a hole. They just need to work hard and have the right attitude.
He also did pretty good getting guys like Tanguay and Gaudreau buying into playing more complete games.
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01-03-2023, 02:33 PM
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Kylington isn't injured and so long as he is likely to return they can't LTIR him. However if he lets the team know he won't be returning this season, they can. Thats always been the catch I believe.
Not to derail the thread, but we're getting to a point where the team and the player will have to make a call.
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01-03-2023, 03:01 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Toonage
Kylington isn't injured and so long as he is likely to return they can't LTIR him. However if he lets the team know he won't be returning this season, they can. Thats always been the catch I believe.
Not to derail the thread, but we're getting to a point where the team and the player will have to make a call.
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This has been speculated/discussed, but has it ever been confirmed?
I mean, he has been put on IR, so why couldn't he be put on LTIR?
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01-03-2023, 03:04 PM
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#38
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
This has been speculated/discussed, but has it ever been confirmed?
I mean, he has been put on IR, so why couldn't he be put on LTIR?
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I suspect because IR has no benefit, no one cares if he qualifies. LTIR does have a benefit so there'd have to at least be a doctor's opinion.
I think it's a choice between suspension or staying on the roster on "IR".
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01-03-2023, 03:05 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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If Kylington needs more time for whatever purpose, that seems fine to me. But our team and roster shouldn't continually be penalized for this. Suspend him if you can't put him on LTIR.
In terms of money he's probably been paid ~1/3 of his contract value so far for literally nothing. There's no news at all about when he's expected back. There's no indication that he even wants to be part of this team still. All the best to him but we need to start making moves for the benefit of the team.
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01-03-2023, 03:15 PM
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#40
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
I suspect because IR has no benefit, no one cares if he qualifies. LTIR does have a benefit so there'd have to at least be a doctor's opinion.
I think it's a choice between suspension or staying on the roster on "IR".
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I have never heard or seen that there is a difference in qualification between IR and LTIR
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