[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Weegar was billed by Panther fans as this big risk/reward guy. I don’t see that in his game with Flames, more low risk/low reward.

That's Sutter.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That's going to be half of Tkachuk contract gone with no firsts and anyone in the pipeline to come into a capped out roster. I love it

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Weegar was billed by Panther fans as this big risk/reward guy. I don’t see that in his game with Flames, more low risk/low reward.

He's playing a very different style of game here. There was encouragement for wide open play in Florida, and when he would make a gaff it would be egregious because there was no back up in that system.

Here, he still makes the odd gaff but there's a much better structure to support those mistakes. He always was an incredible guy with the stick and anticipating passes or breaking up plays. He's fantastic at denying entry and then quickly transitioning to the offensive side. The 2nd part of that hasn't been as prominent here...yet. He does have it in him, so look for that to happen more as he gets more comfortable in Calgary.

I'm just glad that nobody was hammering him the way people were hammering Huberdeau for struggling to adapt in the first 20-30 games. Now you will hopefully all see why I was such a big fan of this trade. Both Weegar and Huberdeau move the needle for teams they play on.

[rollie619]

Everyone except for Cali Panthers fan and Bingo depress me.

[btimbit]

Personally I've been thrilled with Weegar so far, he's like our new Brodie

[chummer]

Where's the guy that said it was a fact he served up pizzas?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just think he's more like Bouwmeester ... skillset to get in position but doesn't have the offensive instincts to finish.

This is key with Weegar - he is elite at so many things. He doesn’t have That next-level skill that the Norris level guys do.

He scored 45 points last year and only three came on the man advantage.

To me, that indicates his points came from getting the puck up ice and on net quickly, playing in a wide open system.

Not from any particularly special set of skills possessed by MacKenzie Weegar.

All that said, I almost never notice him. His shifts pass entirely without incident, and before you know it, we’re 10 minutes through the second and I’m wondering if he’s even playing tonight.

Then I’ll see him have another normal shift, and that’ll be that.

I’m a fan, what can I say.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Personally I've been thrilled with Weegar so far, he's like our new Brodie

Absolutely. And it’s a good problem to have when we don’t have room for a guy like him on either powerplay right now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jayswin

That's Sutter.

Yup. He always told people that he was holding Doughty back offensively as well, and doughty had his best offensive year right after Sutter left.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

He's playing a very different style of game here. There was encouragement for wide open play in Florida, and when he would make a gaff it would be egregious because there was no back up in that system.

Here, he still makes the odd gaff but there's a much better structure to support those mistakes. He always was an incredible guy with the stick and anticipating passes or breaking up plays. He's fantastic at denying entry and then quickly transitioning to the offensive side. The 2nd part of that hasn't been as prominent here...yet. He does have it in him, so look for that to happen more as he gets more comfortable in Calgary.

I'm just glad that nobody was hammering him the way people were hammering Huberdeau for struggling to adapt in the first 20-30 games. Now you will hopefully all see why I was such a big fan of this trade. Both Weegar and Huberdeau move the needle for teams they play on.

Is he a shooter though? I see a guy that doesn't have that offensive timing to pick lanes and get pucks through. Holds on to the puck too long a lot of the time.

I like the player, he's been great, but I wonder on the offence overall.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Is he a shooter though? I see a guy that doesn't have that offensive timing to pick lanes and get pucks through. Holds on to the puck too long a lot of the time.

I like the player, he's been great, but I wonder on the offence overall.

He can shoot, especially on the rush, but he's a pass-first type of player. On the rush he has very good vision and playmaking ability, mostly in terms of springing guys on an odd-man rush.

Again, the hesitation you're seeing is because he's playing a very different system in Calgary and is still getting used to it. Normally he's very assertive when he goes on the attack.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

He can shoot, especially on the rush, but he's a pass-first type of player. On the rush he has very good vision and playmaking ability, mostly in terms of springing guys on an odd-man rush.

Again, the hesitation you're seeing is because he's playing a very different system in Calgary and is still getting used to it. Normally he's very assertive when he goes on the attack.

You've seen him more than me.

But even when they've established possession in the offensive zone and he's on the point ... puck goes back and he holds holds holds and then shoots into a stick.

At that point there really isn't a change in system at play with possession established in the offensive zone.

Instincts or nerves.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Personally I've been thrilled with Weegar so far, he's like our new Brodie

He's a really special player, imo. And now after figuring out Sutter's system he is finding a new way to become an offensive D-man and it's starting to come together.

In year two I predict he'll easily be our best D-man. And if Sutter ever gives him first PP opportunity he'll easily be a threatening goal scorer.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Terrible.

Legendary call.

[ComixZone]

Opening this thread after all these years is like opening the first chapter of a book entitled “You’re going to get kicked in groin”, and then proceed to get kicked in the groin as you turn the pages.

This trade was an extinction level event for this organization. We’ve been absolutely irrelevant ever since.

I suppose it’s neat to be able to point to the exact moment when we struck the iceberg.

And yeah, that’s a heck of a post by Sec.

[FanIn80]

Ranking 25 of the NHL’s biggest blockbuster trades from the last 25 years

#6. Colorado trades Brian Rolston, Martin Grenier, Samuel Pahlsson and a first to Boston for Ray Bourque and Dave Andreychuk on March 6, 2000.

#2. The Bruins trade Joe Thornton to the Sharks for Wayne Primeau, Marco Sturm and Brad Stuart on Nov. 30, 2005.

#1. The Flames trade Matthew Tkachuk and a fourth to the Panthers for Jonathan Huberdeau, MacKenzie Weegar, Cole Schwindt and a first on July 23, 2022.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/604...g-blockbuster/

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

Now we have to sign Huberdeau right away! Let's not be back here again

Originally Posted by mile

Brad frickin treliving??

Originally Posted by Wood

I don't believe it yet, that seems way too good to be true

Huberdeau is better than Tkachuk IMO

Originally Posted by greyshep

Ugh we better be signing Huberdeau or this could get ugly quick

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Give Treliving a 10 year deal.

Unreal trade.

Originally Posted by Mathgod

JESUS ####ING CHRIST

The new arena better include a statue of Brad Treliving!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

If Huberdeau and Weegar re-sign it’s a grand slam win for the Flames. If they don’t then it’s different.

But in the moment a big win for Calgary imo.

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Huberdeau is a better player than Tkachuk guys, plus a great defence man and futures? Cleaned up here.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Not sure I understand the point of going back and cherry picking a bunch of posts from this thread. I think we can agree many (not all) thought this trade would work out way better than it did, including across the hockey world.

But if you are going to take the time to call people out for their posts why would you not include your own?

Like these...

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Any which way you look at it, the Panthers appear to be worse on the whole.

You subtracted a line driver that fueled your secondary scoring (and now those complementary players will be worse without him), and the only guy on your defense that was capable of doing a solid job of filling in for Ekblad when he went down. Then the futures.

And you brought in a pest who is good at supporting top players but is slow and fades in important games.

There are some prices a unicorn just isn't worth paying for.

Zito was drunk on some potent love potion, fortunately for us.

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I think given the fact that Huberdeau has been tracking consistently over a PPG over the last 4 seasons and put up his totals last year alongside secondary players, the Flames quietly scooped up a bonafide top 5 talent in the NHL in exchange for a guy that is probably a top 30-40 ranked player (and got a few other great pieces tacked on).

Some amazing work by Treliving which might not even be fully appreciated until people see what JH can do up here. It was easy to get overlooked in Florida, but north of the border people will take note of this guy's immense talent and line-driving ability.

I really hope we have someone currently who can be a good fit on that right side to help fill out the potential that a Huberdeau-Lindholm line has.

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Opening this thread after all these years is like opening the first chapter of a book entitled “You’re going to get kicked in groin”, and then proceed to get kicked in the groin as you turn the pages.

This trade was an extinction level event for this organization. We’ve been absolutely irrelevant ever since.

I suppose it’s neat to be able to point to the exact moment when we struck the iceberg.

And yeah, that’s a heck of a post by Sec.

good grief. People love to build their own ledges to jump off.

[Finger Cookin]

The value of necro bumps like this is double checking that you've got the useless chud who bumped it blocked already.