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DoubleK · 12-26-2022, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

So trading a guy with 115 points and arguably your MVP on defence isn't a blow up?

Letting a coach of who led you to the presidents trophy walk?

I agree Maurice was a bad hire but the gm made the team worse as well.

Ekblad is way better than Weegar, that's not even up for debate.

Suggesting Florida blew up a President's Cup winning team during the off season is pure nonsense.

Flamesfan05 · 12-26-2022, 05:38 PM

Tkachuk is a younger upgrade on Huberdeau. Florida will do that deal again

Ekblad was their best D, not Weegar.

chedder · 12-26-2022, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Huberdeau is the same age as Johnny. If you want to play that game what's he going to be in three or four years? It will be easier for Johnny to play with a lot of young, skilled forwards where he can be complementary compared to Huberdeau that's going to be tasked with carrying the franchise at that age.

Difference is Flames are supposedly in win now mode so it doesn't matter what Huby's going to be in three or for years. If we don't make some waves in the next three years it's rebuild time (though we all know that won't happen).

FlamesAddiction · 12-26-2022, 06:31 PM

Florida's issue is mainly Bobrovsky. They have always played a high risk style, but Bobrovsky could bail them out. He hasn't been doing that and the results show that.

And Yeah, Weegar was not their best defenseman as others mentioned. He is good at a lot of things breaking up plays and in the offensive zone, but makes a lot of high risk plays in his own zone, and it seems like he is 50/50 on those. I think the good outweighs the bad, but you do get both with Weegar.

dino7c · 12-26-2022, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Huberdeau is the same age as Johnny. If you want to play that game what's he going to be in three or four years? It will be easier for Johnny to play with a lot of young, skilled forwards where he can be complementary compared to Huberdeau that's going to be tasked with carrying the franchise at that age.

I thought we were talking about Gaudreau's choice here

He could have played on a very good team in his prime and chose to go to a bad team for his prime. You are talking like the Flames chose this option, they didn't.

dino7c · 12-26-2022, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Tkachuk is a younger upgrade on Huberdeau. Florida will do that deal again

Ekblad was their best D, not Weegar.

So they lost their second best dman and their top scorer with yet another first.
Added a scorer that might equal what Huberdeau did in Florida but likely not quite hit the same totals and minus the dman.

It's working out so well with them 8 points out of a playoff spot at xmas

JohnnyB · 12-26-2022, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chedder

Difference is Flames are supposedly in win now mode so it doesn't matter what Huby's going to be in three or for years. If we don't make some waves in the next three years it's rebuild time (though we all know that won't happen).

Win now mode not going so great at the moment...

Spoiler!

Paulie Walnuts · 12-26-2022, 09:24 PM

Ekbkad and his -14 says he is missing Weegar and he maybe been the quiet MVP keeping that group together last season.

jayswin · 12-26-2022, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Win now mode not going so great at the moment...

Spoiler!

The Flames aren't where we want to be but why did you use the entire league standings? To make them look worse? That's way less relevant than where they are in the West and division.

dino7c · 12-26-2022, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jayswin

The Flames aren't where we want to be but why did you use the entire league standings? To make them look worse? That's way less relevant than where they are in the West and division.

And kind of irrelevant to the conversation of Gaudreau choosing to go to Columbus. Obviously the Flames with Gaudreau are a far better team for his prime than CBJ, not to mention some other places he probably could have gone.

He went there to win games now...his words. Not to suck so they can get more high end draft picks and be good in a few years.

calgaryred · 12-26-2022, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Win now mode not going so great at the moment...

Spoiler!

Im sure you were just as upset Flames were 15-7-6 36 points with a 2-3-1 record in December before xmas last year.

JohnnyB · 12-26-2022, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jayswin

The Flames aren't where we want to be but why did you use the entire league standings? To make them look worse? That's way less relevant than where they are in the West and division.

Because they need to beat the best of the league to win. Showing a better looking ranking in a weak division instead of a ranking against the whole league would be more deceptive for a 'win now' team.

I could have shown their ranking by winning percentage instead, which would put them at 20th in the league and just barely above Vancouver. That would make them look worse, but it would still be fair. It's not like I'm fudging the numbers. Their numbers are what they are. Hopefully they get better.

JohnnyB · 12-26-2022, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by calgaryred

Im sure you were just as upset Flames were 15-7-6 36 points with a 2-3-1 record in December before xmas last year.

Whose upset? It's just the standings.

That record from last year is a substantially better win and points percentage than this year though anyways.

dino7c · 12-26-2022, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Whose upset? It's just the standings.

That record from last year is a substantially better win and points percentage than this year though anyways.

this season would be at least as good with .920 goaltending like last year...they have scored more goals this year believe it or not

like what even is the argument here anyway? Gaudreau left and went to one of the worst teams in the entire league. When it comes to winning it was a terrible decision for him. The fact they are so bad they MIGHT be good when he is 35 is some kinda reach.

He will likely go from being a 115 point +64 player on a divisions winner to an 80 some point -30 player on a bottom 3 squad...there really is no debate on the hockey side when it comes to his decision.

JohnnyB · 12-26-2022, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

this season would be at least as good with .920 goaltending like last year...they have scored more goals this year believe it or not

like what even is the argument here anyway? Gaudreau left and went to one of the worst teams in the entire league. When it comes to winning it was a terrible decision for him. The fact they are so bad they MIGHT be good when he is 35 is some kinda reach.

What are you going on about? I'm not talking about Gaudreau. I simply responded to the comment about the Flames being in 'win now'.

You have some weird gear to grind on this topic, and I dgaf.

Paulie Walnuts · 12-26-2022, 11:16 PM

I think what he is saying is if Johnny stayed here he would have had a better chance to win hockey games now. Instead hr went to the Blue Jackets to win now when they are in contention to win the Bedard sweepstakes.

His "win now" window isn't accurate in Columbus. His contract might look wasteful when they are ready to win when he is 35

dino7c · 12-26-2022, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyB

What are you going on about? I'm not talking about Gaudreau. I simply responded to the comment about the Flames being in 'win now'.

You have some weird gear to grind on this topic, and I dgaf.

well yeah if you are responding to that comment out of the context of the conversation it was posted in...

That was a direct reply in a discussion about Gaudreau going to Columbus vs. Huberdeau on the Flames

Its hard to imagine things going much worse for Gaudreau right now hockey wise

Vinny01 · 12-27-2022, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by calgaryred

Im sure you were just as upset Flames were 15-7-6 36 points with a 2-3-1 record in December before xmas last year.

That record last year is a 105pt pace which is far better than the 91pt pace they are playing to this year at the same time. It seems people go back and see the point totals were similar but forgot the Flames were shutdown by Covid in December and have played 7 more games this year vs last. The comments about the Flames not being in a playoff spot are not true based on points % as many teams had 5+ more games played than the Flames.

Enoch Root · 12-27-2022, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Because they need to beat the best of the league to win. Showing a better looking ranking in a weak division instead of a ranking against the whole league would be more deceptive for a 'win now' team.

I could have shown their ranking by winning percentage instead, which would put them at 20th in the league and just barely above Vancouver. That would make them look worse, but it would still be fair. It's not like I'm fudging the numbers. Their numbers are what they are. Hopefully they get better.

What?

League standings by winning percentage:

16: NYI .571
17: CGY .557
18: DET .547
19: EDM .543
20: BUF .531
21: NAS .516
22: STL .500
23: VAN .500

JohnnyB · 12-27-2022, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

What?

League standings by winning percentage:

16: NYI .571
17: CGY .557
18: DET .547
19: EDM .543
20: BUF .531
21: NAS .516
22: STL .500
23: VAN .500

Winning percentage and points percentage are not the same thing. The Flames are higher in points percentage because of leading the league in points for OT losses.

Their win % is .457, which is just ahead of Vancouver's .455 and just behind St.Louis' .471.