Doesn't really matter as Buffalo preferred Sabres offer and made a decent trade
This is true, but try telling AT77 that. Apparently the Flames could have traded Tkachuk for Eichel and still somehow kept Tkachuk, and then Gaudreau would have re-signed here because reasons, and the only reason all this didn't happen is that the Flames' management consists of poopyheads.
Oh, wait, I remember one of the reasons now. Gaudreau didn't leave town because he wanted to be in the U.S. or anything like that. No, he left because the Flames, being the poopyheads that they are, refused to get him a #1 centre. He wanted a generational superstar like Eichel, who once scored 82 points in a season, instead of a worthless bum like Lindholm, whose career year was a mere… uh… 82 points.
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Doesn't really matter as Buffalo preferred Sabres offer and made a decent trade
Not really adding anything of value to the conversation here, buuuut, I'm pretty sure Buffalo trading him to themselves would have been Eichel's darkest timeline.
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Not really adding anything of value to the conversation here, buuuut, I'm pretty sure Buffalo trading him to themselves would have been Eichel's darkest timeline.
When Punch Imlach was GM of the Sabres, he probably would have done that.
Before waivers took their modern form, the NHL had an intra-league draft every summer. One year, Imlach drafted one of his own players – five times – on purpose.
The story is too long for a post, so I'll let J. J. Carrier tell it:
Short form: If you dropped a player from your protected list and nobody claimed him, it was like clearing waivers nowadays and you could send him directly to the minors. Every time Imlach drafted a player, he dropped Reg Fleming from his protected list. The following round, he drafted Fleming from himself and then dropped the player he just drafted. In the finish, he got four journeyman players for his farm team and none of them had to clear waivers again. (Fleming never played another NHL game.)
Trading a player from himself to himself would have been an easy next step… and Imlach would probably have figured out a way to win that trade.
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Not really adding anything of value to the conversation here, buuuut, I'm pretty sure Buffalo trading him to themselves would have been Eichel's darkest timeline.
Sabres winning the draft lottery and getting McDiver; the Coilers drafting Eichel is Eichel's darkest timeline.
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The thing with we should have traded for Eichel is that Buffalo is the one trading him, you can't force them to take a deal they have to agree to it. Just like signing players, everytime someone says we should have signed X player or Y player, they have to want to sign with you. You don't just sign them, this isn't NHL23.
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Sabres winning the draft lottery and getting McDiver; the Coilers drafting Eichel is Eichel's darkest timeline.
I don't think the Coilers had a shot at Eichel, they won McDavid from the 3rd spot, had they stayed there they probably would have taken Strome and probably would have sucked enough to get Matthews the next year
As the Panthers sit in 12th in the east, McDaviding the Panthers sounds about right.
Interesting take from a Panthers fan from r/hockey.
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I've been watching the NHL for years, when the Panthers reeked I never cared because I knew they were going to suck so I watched other teams. This year has been difficult though. When I watch now all I can think is: "We were so close to sustaining something great, and we blew it up for no god damn reason other than Tampa Bay good".
How do you deal with this? I've never been more disappointed as a sports fan in my life. The years I spent watching the Panthers be awful felt like they were finally paying off, only for them to be a joke again. The NHL is always one of my favorite sports and I'd like to watch consistently again, regardless of Florida being bad.
It is interesting that all 3 teams involved in the massive changes (CBJ, Florida and Calgary) are doing worse this year. It ain't particularly working for any of them. Though CBJ might be happy to take the high pick and add a core piece.
These are my thoughts as well. I didn't understand why they wanted to blow everything up so badly. The real puzzler was not bringing back Brunette.
I have a perfect analogy. 1987-88 the Flames won the President's Trophy but yet still got swept by the Oilers in the second round. Imagine they blew it all up at that time? Instead they made some smart retools (Bullard for Gilmour/Hunter primarily) and the following year did even better and cruised to the Cup.
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These are my thoughts as well. I didn't understand why they wanted to blow everything up so badly. The real puzzler was not bringing back Brunette.
I have a perfect analogy. 1987-88 the Flames won the President's Trophy but yet still got swept by the Oilers in the second round. Imagine they blew it all up at that time? Instead they made some smart retools (Bullard for Gilmour/Hunter primarily) and the following year did even better and cruised to the Cup.
yeah for sure basically the Gilmour/Bullard swap and a full year of Ramage/Wamsley (say what you will about that trade)
net effect is they went from the top scoring team in 88 (highest scoring team of all time that didn't have either Gretzky or Orr on it) but 12th defensively to the 2nd best team offensively and 2nd best defensively .. tweaking in some ways but a major shift in other ways. 87-88 was more fun, 88-89 was pure elite
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It is interesting that all 3 teams involved in the massive changes (CBJ, Florida and Calgary) are doing worse this year. It ain't particularly working for any of them. Though CBJ might be happy to take the high pick and add a core piece.
It was always unlikely for FLA or CGY to be as good/better this year since last year were their best/2nd best ever seasons respectively. Though it is surprising how far they fell.
CBJ also had more room to fall down than realistically rise up, though I didn't think it was inconceivable they'd be the ones rising from the ashes instead of NJD.
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These are my thoughts as well. I didn't understand why they wanted to blow everything up so badly. The real puzzler was not bringing back Brunette.
I think the bigger puzzler was changing both coach and core...changing one of those two might have been understandable.
It is interesting that all 3 teams involved in the massive changes (CBJ, Florida and Calgary) are doing worse this year. It ain't particularly working for any of them. Though CBJ might be happy to take the high pick and add a core piece.
More interesting is the huge improvement the Jets have had shedding Maurice and his staff while Florida looks and sounds exactly like the Jets did with him outside of the one cup run.
It is interesting that all 3 teams involved in the massive changes (CBJ, Florida and Calgary) are doing worse this year. It ain't particularly working for any of them. Though CBJ might be happy to take the high pick and add a core piece.
I have long suspected that chemistry is one of the most under-rated aspects of team success.
People analyze offense vs defense, stars vs depth, experience vs youth, the value of goaltending, talent vs situation for defensemen, and on and on. But chemistry isn't discussed much. Yet, whenever there is a huge trade, teams often struggle. When big acquisitions are made at the deadline, they rarely have much of a positive impact. There are exceptions of course, but when star players move, it often takes a while to get off the runway.
We often blame coaching when the whole doesn't seem to be as great as the parts, but I wonder how much of it is also chemistry? Finding the right linemates, finding the right role, finding the right fit - sure, you can get lucky sometimes and have things fall immediately into place, but that seems to be the excepting, not the norm.
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More interesting is the huge improvement the Jets have had shedding Maurice and his staff while Florida looks and sounds exactly like the Jets did with him outside of the one cup run.
It's a valid question, but Maurice did have success with the Jets for a while. Then it really went to ####
