Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think he knew and just swept it aside and didn't care. Being CEO of Hockey Canada made him think he was king of the world.

Either way the Oilers should fire him, or he should face the same backlash as Bill Peters and Joel Quenneville did and not be part of the NHL or any league and federation for that matter.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But part of his job as CEO is to BRING these issues to the board, and seek direction as to policy. Either he did, and the board did nothing - unlikely, or he would be saying so, or he never did, or he agrees with the board's stance of doing nothing.

Trying to pass it off as the board's responsibility is not a defense for the CEO.

It doesn't even sound right to me that a board would be responsible for drafting policy...AFAIK a typical process would be for sr managers to draft policy and it run up the flag pole for approvals/revisions by executives, and then the board

[CroFlames]

Oilers hate aside, it would be a huge misstep if the Oilers didn't turf him.

Katz could make Wayne his new CEO.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

It doesn't even sound right to me that a board would be responsible for drafting policy...AFAIK a typical process would be for sr managers to draft policy and it run up the flag pole for approvals/revisions by executives, and then the board

The board defines policy - sr managers, through the CEO would provide input, and report on status/issues/ideas, etc, but it is the board's responsibility to lay out policy.

That doesn't mean the board members are sitting at computers, pounding out the wording, it means their names and signatures are going on the bottom, and the decisions as to what the policies are, are theirs.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The board defines policy - sr managers, through the CEO would provide input, and report on status/issues/ideas, etc, but it is the board's responsibility to lay out policy.

That doesn't mean the board members are sitting at computers, pounding out the wording, it means their names and signatures are going on the bottom, and the decisions as to what the policies are, are theirs.

Right, but the initiative doesn't necessarily have to come from the board (though it can). We're talking about responding to an operational issue here, not setting a long-term strategic vision. The notion is that Bobby Nick couldn't wipe his ass unless the board told him to, which is preposterous.

Which isn't to say that board members over the years are clean here, but this is way more on the executives who are there every day. More often than not the 'plan' (policy) originates from the C & D suites with informal consultation of the board along the way before the board formalizes it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The board defines policy - sr managers, through the CEO would provide input, and report on status/issues/ideas, etc, but it is the board's responsibility to lay out policy.

That doesn't mean the board members are sitting at computers, pounding out the wording, it means their names and signatures are going on the bottom, and the decisions as to what the policies are, are theirs.

I’ve been on a board or two, and yes, the board is responsible to sign off on policy (though it can delegate). But that policy is usually a pretty much finished product and final draft when it hits the board meeting.

[Yeah_Baby]

Somehow, I don't the team with Evander Kane on it will turf Bob Nicholson.

[midniteowl]

If they turf Bob Nicholson, where are they gonna find another character like him? They've search high and low to finally land a character that fit their organizational culture. It's not easy to find a character like that.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Right, but the initiative doesn't necessarily have to come from the board (though it can). We're talking about responding to an operational issue here, not setting a long-term strategic vision. The notion is that Bobby Nick couldn't wipe his ass unless the board told him to, which is preposterous.

Which isn't to say that board members over the years are clean here, but this is way more on the executives who are there every day. More often than not the 'plan' (policy) originates from the C & D suites with informal consultation of the board along the way before the board formalizes it.

I never once intended to imply that Nicholson isn't responsible - and I don't think anyone else has either.

Policy/direction, is led by the board.

Implementation, feedback, and initiation/awareness is led by the CEO.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I never once intended to imply that Nicholson isn't responsible - and I don't think anyone else has either.

Policy/direction, is led by the board.

Implementation, feedback, and initiation/awareness is led by the CEO.

Bobby is the one that implied that.

As to the bolded, it's not incorrect, but IMO that's not the most precise way to describe it. The board is more like an editor/publisher than an author.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But part of his job as CEO is to BRING these issues to the board, and seek direction as to policy. Either he did, and the board did nothing - unlikely, or he would be saying so, or he never did, or he agrees with the board's stance of doing nothing.

Trying to pass it off as the board's responsibility is not a defense for the CEO.

I'm probably being a little pedantic here, but the 'seek direction' is where we disagree. A good CEO isn't bringing issues to the board seeking advice/solutions (if they do they shouldn't expect to be CEO for very long) - they bring the issue AND a thoroughly prepared solution (policy) to the board for approval (after more discussion and perhaps revisions).

IMO the buck stops more with the CEO than the board, though obviously at some point the board is similarly culpable if they fail to replace the buffoon.

[Enoch Root]

We're debating semantics here.

Bottom line for the CEO is that they are ultimately responsible for the actions of the company. There is no passing the buck to the board.

[MBates]

The slate of nominees for the 1 year transitional Board of Hockey Canada was announced today.

The list includes:

The Hon. Hugh L. Fraser (Chair)

Grant Borbridge

Cassie Campbell-Pascall

Julie Duranceau

Dave Evans

Marni Fullerton

Jonathan F. Goldbloom

Marian Jacko

Andrea Poole

You can access each of their bios here:

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/ne...oard-2022-corp

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1604508973020823552

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by MBates

The slate of nominees for the 1 year transitional Board of Hockey Canada was announced today.



You can access each of their bios here:

https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/ne...oard-2022-corp

I'd be cool with, Hon. Hugh L. Fraser (Chair), Grant Borbridge, or Marian Jacko.


Cassie Campbell's bio reads quite underwhelming, and more of the same old in comparison.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Cassie Campbell's bio reads quite underwhelming, and more of the same old in comparison.

Not to mention her husband knows all the skeletons in Hockey Canada's closet and likely had a hand in covering the messes up.

[The Fisher Account]

Good lord, I don’t even wanna watch the WJC anymore after all this

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by chedder

Not to mention her husband knows all the skeletons in Hockey Canada's closet and likely had a hand in covering the messes up.

Totally!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1604508973020823552
Let this resonate.

After leaving the hotel, "E.M." says she took an Uber and wept on the drive home, the document says.
Her mother, who reported the alleged assault to police, said she found her daughter in the shower with the water running, “seated clasping her knees and rocking back and forth.”

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Good lord, I don’t even wanna watch the WJC anymore after all this

The players today were like 13 then, I'll be watching.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by The Fisher Account

Good lord, I don’t even wanna watch the WJC anymore after all this

I agree. The architects of this tournament built the culture that allowed events like this to happen and made sure the criminals did not answer to their crimes. It makes it hard to cheer for them as Canadian heroes.

It is better now that the board was forced to resign, but until the full investigations are complete and all who were part of this despicable culture are held accountable, I have a difficult time cheering for Canada's world juniors.

As of now, has anyone really been held accountable? A handful have lost their board positions or jobs. No one has really been penalized in a significant way.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

What do the IIHF have to do with the actions of Canadian players 4 years ago?