2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I mock this thread, a lot, for its awful awful trade ideas.

So its time for me to post one and take my share of the beating.

Problem child for problem child. Markstrom for Grubauer.

Grubauer has an extra year, comes in at $100k cheaper and is a year younger.

He's been, quite frankly, awful for the Kraken. But he wasn't always that way in Washington & Colorado. A return to form outside of Seattle isn't out of the question.

Markstrom gets the gift of not playing in a Canadian market anymore full time but staying out west. Statistically his best option.

I’d rather just ride out Markstrom and not take on an extra year

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I do wonder if this team can afford to give another player a huge money contract for a guy who will be in his 30’s for the bulk of the deal?

He’s our best player.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He’s our best player.

He's a good player but man he misses Gaudreau and Tkachuk. He's not a guy that can drive offense himself and you have to wonder if he's got enough jam to even have a Backlund type of career in his mid-30's.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's a good player but man he misses Gaudreau and Tkachuk. He's not a guy that can drive offense himself and you have to wonder if he's got enough jam to even have a Backlund type of career in his mid-30's.

Lindholm has turned back into Carolina Lindholm if you think about it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Lindholm has turned back into Carolina Lindholm if you think about it.

I think he's always been that player but with the Flames found the perfect complementary role centering Gaudreau. I'm kind of surprised that he hasn't clicked a bit more with Huberdeau who is as good a passer as Gaudreau.

[Toonage]

Dominos falling. Huberdeau has had to change his game, Lindholm is trying too hard, nothing is working.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think he's always been that player but with the Flames found the perfect complementary role centering Gaudreau. I'm kind of surprised that he hasn't clicked a bit more with Huberdeau who is as good a passer as Gaudreau.

Johnny has the rare ability to completely open the ice. The way he can navigate the neutral zone and gain the offensive zone with speed is nearly unrivalled in this league. That creates a lot of space for your teammates - which fed right into Monahan and Lindholm’s abilities to find open ice and get shots off quickly. Huberdeau ain’t that guy. Huberdeau is a pure passer. Huberdeau is much more along the line of Tanguay. Tangs wasn’t really a fast player, he wasn’t really a top tier puck carrier - he was a complimentary piece to a hockey hall of famer.

Imagine Tanguay here without Iginla. He would have been completely wasted.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's a good player but man he misses Gaudreau and Tkachuk. He's not a guy that can drive offense himself and you have to wonder if he's got enough jam to even have a Backlund type of career in his mid-30's.

He’s a better defensive player that has a higher offensive ceiling. Guy plays huge minutes for the team, especially on the PK.

He’s our best player today, without Gaudreau.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He’s a better defensive player that has a higher offensive ceiling. Guy plays huge minutes for the team, especially on the PK.

He’s our best player today, without Gaudreau.

It just comes down to the Flames wanting to pay a guy who was underpaid for his first 6 years here by likely overpaying for his last 6 years assuming he brings value for the first couple of years of the deal. This is me assuming Lindholm is after a 8.5x8 deal which would start in his age 29-30 season.

If he is willing to take a discount then there could be something there but I don’t see any way he would want to do that? He fired his agent a year into his 6 year deal when he had broken out to being a legit first liner.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

It just comes down to the Flames wanting to pay a guy who was underpaid for his first 6 years here by likely overpaying for his last 6 years assuming he brings value for the first couple of years of the deal. This is me assuming Lindholm is after a 8.5x8 deal which would start in his age 29-30 season.

If he is willing to take a discount then there could be something there but I don’t see any way he would want to do that? He fired his agent a year into his 6 year deal when he had broken out to being a legit first liner.

It sucks, but I don’t see the Flames being able to afford him once his deal is up. He’s certainly not giving them a discount after playing on one for years.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by madmike

It sucks, but I don’t see the Flames being able to afford him once his deal is up. He’s certainly not giving them a discount after playing on one for years.

The team does have a lot of deals coming up that summer.

Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Toffoli, Backlund, Zadorov, Dube, Kylington so I do think they can make the money work if they move on from most of those deals. I just am not sure if makes sense to sign another older player to that type of money when they already are locked in long term to Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar and still have 3 more years with Markstrom who is about to turn 33 and 4 more with Coleman who is 31

[Flamesfan05]

Treliving should concentrate on drafting which he does reasonably well instead of trading for and signing FA

Even plugs like Coleman and Rooney suck when they get here. Forget about star players

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Treliving should concentrate on drafting which he does reasonably well instead of signing FA

Even plugs like Coleman and Rooney suck when they get here. Forget about star players

to be fair, Rooney also sucked before he got here

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

to be fair, Rooney also sucked before he got here

That’s even worse lol

[Nelson]

If the Flames are out of the playoffs at the trade deadline, one thing that makes me feel optimistic is that I do think Treliving could trade some of the team's contracts for a lot of futures if the Flames want to start a rebuild. Hanifin, Andersson, Lindholm, Toffoli, Tanev, etc.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Nelson

If the Flames are out of the playoffs at the trade deadline, one thing that makes me feel optimistic is that I do think Treliving could trade some of the team's contracts for a lot of futures if the Flames want to start a rebuild. Hanifin, Andersson, Lindholm, Toffoli, Tanev, etc.

They will wait until all of these players have 0 to negative value. That's the Flames way.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The team does have a lot of deals coming up that summer.

Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Toffoli, Backlund, Zadorov, Dube, Kylington so I do think they can make the money work if they move on from most of those deals. I just am not sure if makes sense to sign another older player to that type of money when they already are locked in long term to Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar and still have 3 more years with Markstrom who is about to turn 33 and 4 more with Coleman who is 31

Making the money work by letting good players leave does not make the team better.

But the Flames have already charted their course. They will live or die with Hubby, Weegar and Kadri.If the core is not going to work (and that ship isn't close to sailing yet, notwithstanding the angst on this board), the Flames are left with little alternatives. If Hubby isn't that great, his contract is going nowhere. Same for Kadri and Weegar. If Lindholm requires $8.5M, sure they could fit it in, but doing do by simply removing Hanafin from the roster isn't working for the Flames.

So, the current core needs to be given every opportunity to improve because there really isn't any alternative. Saying the current version of Vladar may be better than the current version of Marky may be true, but the Flames are going no where if Vladar is their #1 goalie. They are giving Marky every chance to right the ship because they simply have no choice.

In a cap world, teams with an expensive core of mostly middle aged players are running with those players, good or bad. And in my terms, middle aged players are those who have reached UFA status and the contracts that go with that right.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Johnny has the rare ability to completely open the ice. The way he can navigate the neutral zone and gain the offensive zone with speed is nearly unrivalled in this league. That creates a lot of space for your teammates - which fed right into Monahan and Lindholm’s abilities to find open ice and get shots off quickly. Huberdeau ain’t that guy. Huberdeau is a pure passer. Huberdeau is much more along the line of Tanguay. Tangs wasn’t really a fast player, he wasn’t really a top tier puck carrier - he was a complimentary piece to a hockey hall of famer.

Imagine Tanguay here without Iginla. He would have been completely wasted.

I was literally just thinking about Tanguary watching Huberdeau last night when he seemingly refused to shoot.

[Monahammer]

Huberdeau for Dach, Sean Farrell and a 2nd. Who says no?

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Huberdeau for Dach, Sean Farrell and a 2nd. Who says no?

Dach is another Monahan type player. He has good hockey IQ and can score but he needs a play driver. It's so visible this team needs a play driver or at least more speed. Speed allows easier transition, zone entries, which allows the Huberdeaus, Lindholms, Toffolis to get into offensive opportunities.