[PGT] Flames lose in shootout again…4-3 to canucks

[calgaryred]

Meh rather a point than no point on to the next game

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[Gord_Wappel]

This team has zero swagger. They dont even look like they are having fun. They dont even seem happy when they score. Its like watching English Premier League soccer. They play slow. No crispness and structure like we had last year. Say what you want about Johnny and Tkachuk but they looked like they loved playing. We played so much faster and balls out despite the lack of playoff success those two played with so much passion and drive last year and were gamebreakers along with Lindholm everyone seemed to be having fun and smiling... Especially Lindholm. I watch the highlight packs around the league and good young guys are scoring beautiful goals and looks like they are having fun. Just watch tonights Ottawa highlights. The Flames just dont. Its perplexing even when they are winning

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I'll take the bet

You want to bet that the Flames get a top 5 pick?

Name your price

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

Come on… seriously?

Martin 35 saves, .921 sv%, no goals against in shootout
Markstrom 24 saves, .889 sv%, .500 sv% in shootout

Markstrom is not having a good season, let’s stop sugar-coating it.

Martin numbers inflated by the lack of quality chances and shots from low danger areas by Calgary.

Neither goalie was amazing tonight, but Martin let in two soft goals. I stand by that 100%.

Did Markstrom let in two soft goals? Not in my book.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Kovaz

If the top line was any good offensively, this team has easily 5 more wins this season. 30 games into the season, we've scored 3 goals with Huberdeau-Lindholm-Toffoli on the ice. Forget the goalies, forget special teams - this is the biggest issue with the team.

Top line has been a bust, there’s no sugarcoating it. Huby is struggling in this new system. Lindholm-Toffoli didn’t work last year either.

What a difference from last year when the top line was dominant and basically stayed intact the entire year.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Yeah, people need to look at more than just save percentage when judging who was the better goalie. When a goalie gets more shots of course his save percentage is going to jump.

The Flames made it pretty easy for Martin in the shootout too.

Advanced metrics put Markstrom at pretty much the bottom of the starting goalies. Goal #2 in particular could have easily been saved if he wasn't needlessly on his knees. He overplayed the third goal and like usual got beat glove high being too deep in his net

Good goalies make hard saves look easy. Markstrom makes every shot look like a snipe because he can't play his angles properly.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We dominated?

Neither team dominated.

The Canucks played a cleaner game and didn't give up the puck like the Flames did but that's not domination.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You want to bet that the Flames get a top 5 pick?

Name your price

$100

To charity

[Mr.Coffee]

If you don’t screw around for the first 5 mins and let them score twice that’s a win.

The bad starts are killing the season. They just stood around and watched the Canucks to start the game. Totally unacceptable. Lazy. Start the ####ing game on time.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Top line has been a bust, there’s no sugarcoating it. Huby is struggling in this new system. Lindholm-Toffoli didn’t work last year either.

What a difference from last year when the top line was dominant and basically stayed intact the entire year.

Was the best line in the NHL.

[Moneyhands23]

Top 10 pick seems good right now

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

We dominated?

What the ozone time? Turnover? Don't give me shots on net bs because that's all it is directing trash into the chest.

It's ok to admit the team is not good and the coach has no clue what he is doing.

Didn't say the Flames dominated tonight. It was a sloppy game on both ends. It got decided in a shootout. It was close. So we certainly didn't get "smoked" as you put it and no one jumped over us tonight or recently either.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

$100

To charity

Done

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Martin numbers inflated by the lack of quality chances and shots from low danger areas by Calgary.

Neither goalie was amazing tonight, but Martin let in two soft goals. I stand by that 100%.

Did Markstrom let in two soft goals? Not in my book.

“Martin’s numbers are inflated by the fact we are a black hole offensively.”

Well, that makes me feel a whole lot better.

[Chonger]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

Just not a very good team. Hubby with his worst game as a flame?

Every game is his worst game when we signed him to 10.5 and he continues to underwelm

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[MillerTime GFG]

I honestly question how anyone can be an optimist at this point? Dino7c for example.

What have you seen or do you see in this team that makes you think they can turn it around?

We simply aren’t skilled enough in an era where skill rules the game.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

Martin numbers inflated by the lack of quality chances and shots from low danger areas by Calgary.

Neither goalie was amazing tonight, but Martin let in two soft goals. I stand by that 100%.

Did Markstrom let in two soft goals? Not in my book.

Bad goalies make the other teams shots look good. Markstrom allowed 3 goals on 2.86 expected.Martin let in 3 goals on 3.77 expected. And those numbers are worse for Markstrom if you exclude OT, which the Flames would not have been playing in if he played better than Martin in regulation.

This has been the story all year long, and I think you only need to watch how the Flames play in front of Markstrom vs. Vladar to see how they feel about it.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Can we trade Huberdeau or has his contract destroyed that option?
I know it's hignsight but not signing him and trading him at the deadline was the move.
This team is done for years.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

I honestly question how anyone can be an optimist at this point? Dino7c for example.

What have you seen or do you see in this team that makes you think they can turn it around?

We simply aren’t skilled enough in an era where skill rules the game.

I'm an optimist.

This team is far more talented than they have been showing so far

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MillerTime GFG

I honestly question how anyone can be an optimist at this point? Dino7c for example.

What have you seen or do you see in this team that makes you think they can turn it around?

We simply aren’t skilled enough in an era where skill rules the game.

Costs nothing to be an optimist and it’s more fun. No sense in watching the games and following the team if it isn’t fun.