A letter to Mr.Sutter and Flames management

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think in a Sutter system you need to learn what to do defensively first, and then you counter.

The top line had a lot of talent, but they also bought in on the defensive side of the puck and then created from there.

This year they have been up and down on both sides of the puck and just haven't gotten in a groove.

Lots of change in personnel would slow that. Additionally a rough start for goaltending (Markstrom) would play into that too because you'd have a lack of trust in the defensive system being preached without any tangible results.

Now they're top six in defensive metrics so probably accomplished, at least it was before all the injuries.

So if this all works, I think you start to see the team getting better offensively off the foundation of the defensive system and then away they go.

Not a prediction but I think that's the plan, and having an easier schedule could help that offensive confidence too.

Now that's a letter!

Could be and hopefully. Still think that if Sutter was an NFL coach the only played called at scrimmage would be fullback up the middle and he would "change" Doug Flutie into a pocket quarterback...he would just have no idea what to do with him. But hey...my bias is set so...

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Dear Sutter et al,

Turn down the suck.

Unkind regards,
Internet Troll

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Could be and hopefully. Still think that if Sutter was an NFL coach the only played called at scrimmage would be fullback up the middle and he would "change" Doug Flutie into a pocket quarterback...he would just have no idea what to do with him. But hey...my bias is set so...

But rolls out a top ten offence in every single category last year?

Goals
expected goals
shots
scoring chances
high danger chances

That honestly adds up to you?

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But rolls out a top ten offence in every single category last year?

Goals
expected goals
shots
scoring chances
high danger chances

That honestly adds up to you?

Also like I have said before, Sutter rode a hot line and a hot goalie to coach of the year, again my take and my bias. I think coaches like Sutter and Torts are dinosaurs and should be put out to pasture.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Also like I have said before, Sutter rode a hot line and a hot goalie to coach of the year, again my take and my bias. I think coaches like Sutter and Torts are dinosaurs and should be put out to pasture.

Goalie doesn't have much to do with chance generation (either way but certainly offensively)

All good coaches deploy their best players.

You don't create more than all but 4-5 NHL teams over a full season without having a system that does more than dump it in.

Unless you have a way of separating the value of offence for every team in the league between coach influenced and player influenced there isn't much to stand on.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Goalie doesn't have much to do with chance generation (either way but certainly offensively)

All good coaches deploy their best players.

You don't create more than all but 4-5 NHL teams over a full season without having a system that does more than dump it in.

Unless you have a way of separating the value of offence for every team in the league between coach influenced and player influenced there isn't much to stand on.

You can argue it with stats and this and that all you want, I don't like Markstrom as the Flames starter and I don't like Sutter as the head coach of this version of the Flames. We will never get past the first round with Sutter as coach, Dallas was our Stanley cup and they damn near beat us with one line. The Oilers did beat us with one line, Sutter was out coached in both of those series.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The Flames were 6th in scoring last year with the same coach.

They were third in shots on goal, 4th in scoring chances, and 11th in high danger chances.

They lost their most creative playing driving forward to free agency.

And now it's the system?

Seems like a lazy conclusion to me.

I suspect the 2 biggest parts of that scoring didn't come back partly because of Sutter. The effort required to have offensive years like that under his system was probably not sustainable.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Home game scores this year: 5-3, 4-3, 3-2, 6-3, 3-2, 4-1, 3-2, 5-4, 4-1, 4-3, 6-5, 6-2, 2-1, 5-2, 3-2, 5-3.

Literally one 2-1 game.

Sutter must be really unhappy then.

[CSharp]

The is what my short letter will look like for Darryl and the Flames management.

If the team is gonna be out of contention to make the playoffs by March, PLEASE start to tank properly down below 10th overall position. The Flames have given too much to the Montreal Canadiens already. The bleeding must stop and the Flames need to restock in 2023! Bedard would definitely compliment Linholm and Huberdeau real good - think about that! And please, don't let the Oilers fall below the Flames this time around.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Yikes

You can argue it with stats and this and that all you want, I don't like Markstrom as the Flames starter and I don't like Sutter as the head coach of this version of the Flames. We will never get past the first round with Sutter as coach, Dallas was our Stanley cup and they damn near beat us with one line. The Oilers did beat us with one line, Sutter was out coached in both of those series.

That guy with the pillows on his legs in the Dallas uniform was pretty big too.

So you just have a bias, and you don't want stats to get in the way! Got it!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I suspect the 2 biggest parts of that scoring didn't come back partly because of Sutter. The effort required to have offensive years like that under his system was probably not sustainable.

I think being Americans and coming through a covid window cut off from family trumps Sutter.

Gaudreau's dad even said that's the type of coach he thrives under.

[PepsiFree]

Deer Mr. Sutter

My nam is Peppseroni iFreedom Jr and I an riting u tooda to ask u if u cud plez maek the teem gud to maek the play ofs. It is al I wahnt fr crissmass.

Thak u.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That guy with the pillows on his legs in the Dallas uniform was pretty big too.

So you just have a bias, and you don't want stats to get in the way! Got it!

"Those aren't pillows"

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Yikes

seems like Sutter is not happy unless the Flames "grind out" a 2 to 1 win every night.

The Flames have been in a total of three 2-1 games so far this season.

They lost all three – one in regulation, two in the shootout.

Last year they played six 2-1 games, with a record of 2-1-3.

Either Sutter is never happy, or ‘Sutter hockey’ is not what you think it is.

[drewtastic]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Imagine handing in that letter for your final English assignment

I've seen worse.

(EG: I once saw a kid misspell his surname on a test paper, written below a sticker that...contained his surname...)

[HighLifeMan]

We have scored two or less goals in 11 of our last 23 games after the hot start. It's a serious problem.

Darryl's system and coaching style has historically struggled to produce above average offensive results. Bill Peter's rode a hot top line to a 2nd place offensive finish and western conference title too - so I take last years' results with a grain of salt.

In 70% of Darryl's seasons (14/20) as a head coach his teams have finished with less goals than the league average - and he's gotten a top five result just once. He's not a guy that has shown the ability to coach an exciting high scoring team with any regularity. And Yes, he does have two cup rings, but the game also isn't played the same way it was a decade ago either.

I have serious concerns whether or not he can get the most out of the top end offensive players on this roster.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CSharp

The is what my short letter will look like for Darryl and the Flames management.

If the team is gonna be out of contention to make the playoffs by March, PLEASE start to tank properly down below 10th overall position. The Flames have given too much to the Montreal Canadiens already. The bleeding must stop and the Flames need to restock in 2023! Bedard would definitely compliment Linholm and Huberdeau real good - think about that! And please, don't let the Oilers fall below the Flames this time around.

I don’t understand what you are saying about Montreal
They don’t get the 2023 1st under any scenario

[FireGilbert]

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

We have scored two or less goals in 11 of our last 23 games after the hot start. It's a serious problem.

Darryl's system and coaching style has historically struggled to produce above average offensive results. Bill Peter's rode a hot top line to a 2nd place offensive finish and western conference title too - so I take last years' results with a grain of salt.

In 70% of Darryl's seasons (14/20) as a head coach his teams have finished with less goals than the league average - and he's gotten a top five result just once. He's not a guy that has shown the ability to coach an exciting high scoring team with any regularity. And Yes, he does have two cup rings, but the game also isn't played the same way it was a decade ago either.

I have serious concerns whether or not he can get the most out of the top end offensive players on this roster.

Which means we’ve scored 3 or more goals in 12 of our last 23 games. Pretty good actually.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by CSharp

don't let the Oilers fall below the Flames this time around.

Wrong. Oilers below Flames always and forever.