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Old 12-10-2022, 09:56 AM   #9401
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Is that right? Okay, it's a much bigger deal than I was assuming then. I figured she got the sentence anybody would get for bringing drugs into the country. Frankly, I'm surprised it would be just a fine. That seems light for Russia. Imma have to verify that, but if true it does change my opinion on things big time.
Depends on source.

The American sources will say you typically get off with a bribe. Generally that’s based on it being an administrative offense for possession of up to two grams of hashish and is typically used to extract bribes from people.

https://cannadelics.com/2020/03/08/h...ion-in-russia/

On the other hand because she is charged with trafficking she would typically get jail for trafficking. But even the her sentence is above normal.
Al jezeera in this article

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2...ilence-critics

states anything more than 3 years is political

So is she an idiot - Yes, is she being leveraged for political gain - yes.
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I thought this was an interesting take on the Griner-Bout swap. This guy apparently wrote a book about Viktor Bout and knows a lot about him. He figures that he is practically neutered at this point and won't be getting back in the game. He also mentioned that he worked for the Americans and British.

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Old 12-11-2022, 03:22 AM   #9403
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Reports coming in on Ukrainian missile attacks on Melitopol and Crimea

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Looks like Kadyrov lost his best bud in the above blast as well.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1601896288789962754


https://twitter.com/user/status/1601715915317743619
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Ukraine also claiming to have struck Wagner's headquarters in Luhansk.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63933132

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Ukrainian forces have struck a headquarters of Russia's Wagner mercenary group in eastern Ukraine, Luhansk's Ukrainian governor has said.

Serhiy Haidai said a hotel where the group was based in Kadiivka, Luhansk region, was hit. He added there were major Russian losses.

The BBC was unable to independently verify Wagner's presence at the hotel.

Wagner are state-sponsored mercenaries who act in the Kremlin's interests, according to Western experts.

The private military company, set up by Yevgeny Prigozhin, a former restaurateur and close associate of Russian President Vladimir Putin, has repeatedly been accused of war crimes and human rights abuses.

Wagner units have previously been deployed in Crimea, Syria, Libya, Mali and the Central African Republic.

In the Kadiivka strike, Mr Haidai said Russia had suffered "significant losses" and he expected "at least 50%" of the surviving forces to die due to a lack of medical treatment."
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Dang. Winter time is forcing armies to bunch up where supplies and quarters are. Not good for the russians mostly
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Old 12-11-2022, 12:58 PM   #9407
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Dang. Winter time is forcing armies to bunch up where supplies and quarters are. Not good for the russians mostly
Perun actually made a video about this.



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While winter will likely hurt Russians somewhat more than Ukrainians, winter warfare is nothing new to Russians. They do have plenty of troops with proper equipment and training, although they also have troops of lesser quality, especially the guys who've been thrown to front in a rush.

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Perun actually made a video about this.



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While winter will likely hurt Russians somewhat more than Ukrainians, winter warfare is nothing new to Russians. They do have plenty of troops with proper equipment and training, although they also have troops of lesser quality, especially the guys who've been thrown to front in a rush.
I dont know....I havent seen anything that leads me to believe that they have the proper equipment.

At least Canada sent Ukraine long underwear.
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Perun actually made a video about this.



Very short version;

While winter will likely hurt Russians somewhat more than Ukrainians, winter warfare is nothing new to Russians. They do have plenty of troops with proper equipment and training, although they also have troops of lesser quality, especially the guys who've been thrown to front in a rush.
Other than the Wagner, I'd question the ability of Russians during the winter. All the photos and videos I have seen of Russian positions always look poorly maintained, ie: garbage everywhere which speaks to ill-disciplined troops. Well disciplined troops ensure their lines are well maintained and police garbage and other ####. Leaving garbage everywhere is lazy and a reflection of those troops.

Winter Warfare, in my experience requires a high level of discipline to just stay alive, never mind fight.

I question the simple Ivan's ability to stay alive let alone fight in a -20 situation.

Winter Warfare drains the morale quickly.

Let's hope some Ivans die in the cold.
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If Russians are Ivans, what are Ukrainians? Vitali?
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If Russians are Ivans, what are Ukrainians? Vitali?
No idea

But Ivan is a well known nickname for Russian soldiers
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If Russians are Ivans, what are Ukrainians? Vitali?
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Perun actually made a video about this.



Very short version;

While winter will likely hurt Russians somewhat more than Ukrainians, winter warfare is nothing new to Russians. They do have plenty of troops with proper equipment and training, although they also have troops of lesser quality, especially the guys who've been thrown to front in a rush.
I'd actually watched that one, thanks! He's great.

With ukranian abilities to strike on supply depots, etc. I'd argue that it won't be hard now to target their winter barracks. Russia can do the same but they've been relying indiscriminate fire so much that I don't think they will be as effective

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I dont know....I havent seen anything that leads me to believe that they have the proper equipment.

At least Canada sent Ukraine long underwear.
If you're only watching western media, you should remember it's all more or less anti-Russian propaganda.

Not in the "it's all lies" sense, but in the sense that the pics that get circulated have an obvious bias.

Checking out a Russian source now and then is good for perspective.
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If you're only watching western media, you should remember it's all more or less anti-Russian propaganda.

Not in the "it's all lies" sense, but in the sense that the pics that get circulated have an obvious bias.

Checking out a Russian source now and then is good for perspective.
Which Russian source do you see as credible?
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Which Russian source do you see as credible?
I was wondering that too. I wouldn't mind checking out some Russian sources, but almost everything I come across from Russian sources is extreme conspiracy level stuff. Are there any Russian media sources that are reasonably fair?
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I was wondering that too. I wouldn't mind checking out some Russian sources, but almost everything I come across from Russian sources is extreme conspiracy level stuff. Are there any Russian media sources that are reasonably fair?
Fox News?
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Which Russian source do you see as credible?
Well if you want news that are critical of Kremlin, there's Meduza for example (Meduza.io), but what I really meant was things like RT and other openly pro-Russian sources.

It's really eye-opening to follow stuff like that, in the sense that it helps you see just how propaganda actually works, and once you start seeing that, you start noticing just how much of western media is outright propaganda too.

Which again isn't the same as lies, most of what you see is more or less true, even on RT. It's just very selective, and those technically true events are used to build a narrative (implicitly or explicitly) that fits a purpose.

I don't have time to really get more into this very interesting topic, maybe later...

But if you watch pro-Russian news, you'll see plenty of images of competent, well equipped Russian troops and poorly equipped incompetent Ukrainians. It's a good reminder to hold on to some healthy criticism when watching the news and following social media.

Propaganda is mostly not lies, but selective truths.
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