Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think it's also understated how much influence the NDP got into cabinet. Guillbeault and even Wilkinson were both fringe players that were too radical for cabinet prior to the deal. Though liberals in name, their much closer to NDP policy alignment. Even if you think JT agrees with them 100%, the alliance with NDP gave him enough internal cover to name these people to cabinet. That's a pretty big deal for NDP aligned policy goals imo.

I'm confused by what you are claiming here. Are you saying that the NDP/Liberal agreement allowed for these two Ministers to get cabinet roles?

Wilkinson was a cabinet minister since 2018 and Guilbeault since 2019 both of which happened well before the agreement between the two parties was penned.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

As an NDP supporter, while it’d be nice to have the NDP lead without having to work with the more wishy washy, centrist Liberals, I think the deal has worked out well for the people of Canada and successfully moved some important issues forward.

It's nice to have all these things, but don't forget we have to pay for them. Restricting the development of our resources, including the passing of laws and putting in place cumbersome regulations, will not help us raise the funds necessary to improve our underfunded and collapsing healthcare.

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

It's nice to have all these things, but don't forget we have to pay for them. Restricting the development of our resources, including the passing of laws and putting in place cumbersome regulations, will not help us raise the funds necessary to improve our underfunded and collapsing healthcare.

We have to pay for everything. That's how our system works.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

It's nice to have all these things, but don't forget we have to pay for them. Restricting the development of our resources, including the passing of laws and putting in place cumbersome regulations, will not help us raise the funds necessary to improve our underfunded and collapsing healthcare.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the UCP lower corporate tax rates that could have helped fund our healthcare that they also underfunded? I own two businesses, neither of which asked for - nor needed - a provincial tax cut. It helped me zero. You only pay tax on money you make, so it's not like a tax cut would help out businesses underwater, anyway. And what did I do with my savings that I didn't even notice? Well, I did modify the exhaust on my Mercedes, which was kind of fun, so that was a good use of extra money that could have helped sick people instead.

Like, everything you said is reasonable, except you blamed the wrong political party for the problem.

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the UCP lower corporate tax rates that could have helped fund our healthcare that they also underfunded? I own two businesses, neither of which asked for - nor needed - a provincial tax cut. It helped me zero. You only pay tax on money you make, so it's not like a tax cut would help out businesses underwater, anyway. And what did I do with my savings that I didn't even notice? Well, I did modify the exhaust on my Mercedes, which was kind of fun, so that was a good use of extra money that could have helped sick people instead.

Like, everything you said is reasonable, except you blamed the wrong political party for the problem.

Sounds like he identifies as a fiscal conservative.

Which I've learned as I've got older is really just code for 'I just really don't like paying taxes'

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

It's nice to have all these things, but don't forget we have to pay for them. Restricting the development of our resources, including the passing of laws and putting in place cumbersome regulations, will not help us raise the funds necessary to improve our underfunded and collapsing healthcare.

Are you going to whine about me following you around if I respond to this?

I think most people understand these things need to be paid for. As already pointed out, cutting taxes even beyond the threshold of “competitive” doesn’t help us pay for anything either. You understand that businesses and people like setting up shop, working, and living in countries with good social services, right? Don’t forget that not everyone has the pleasure of loafing around on retirement complaining about taxation while the government pays your bills.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

start applying for jobs. holding a sign wouldn't pay the bills.

Just one of those times where what I want wars with what I need.
I'm not strong enough of a person to lose everything I have out of principle.

I think you’re misinterpreting the intent of anti-scab legislation, it’s meant to deter having an unnecessary labour dispute to begin with.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

But a lot of legs and thumbs got broken.

Source?

I’m on your side on this dude, the only thing that can match my hatred of mainly new immigrant Canadians offering labour at market prices is my love of paying more and more taxes every year for worse and worse services to keep the entrenched public sector union cabals happy.

Source for new Canadians getting “market rates”?

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

*citation needed

When was the last time we had a tax increase?

The amount of taxes I pay personally goes up every year! Did you know just the federal tax on income above 209k is 35%? Yeesh. Just the federal. That buys a lot of thumbscrews for those scabs.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

The amount of taxes I pay personally goes up every year! Did you know just the federal tax on income above 209k is 35%? Yeesh. Just the federal. That buys a lot of thumbscrews for those scabs.

You poor thing it must be so hard living off that kind of income. No wonder you’re babbling on about unions being the problem, you’re clearly in a bad headspace from all of the stress you must have to deal with making more money than the overwhelming majority of people in this country. Thoughts and prayers.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

The amount of taxes I pay personally goes up every year! Did you know just the federal tax on income above 209k is 35%? Yeesh. Just the federal. That buys a lot of thumbscrews for those scabs.

And? Boo hoo? If you make more you pay more. And oh wait, you have that wrong.

"More than $216,511 33%"
https://www.canada.ca/en/financial-c...taxes-2/5.html

And if you know how taxes work better than Danielle Smith does, you'd know that's only on the portion of income over $216,511.

But that didn't answer when was the last time taxes went up.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the UCP lower corporate tax rates that could have helped fund our healthcare that they also underfunded? I own two businesses, neither of which asked for - nor needed - a provincial tax cut. It helped me zero. You only pay tax on money you make, so it's not like a tax cut would help out businesses underwater, anyway. And what did I do with my savings that I didn't even notice? Well, I did modify the exhaust on my Mercedes, which was kind of fun, so that was a good use of extra money that could have helped sick people instead.

Like, everything you said is reasonable, except you blamed the wrong political party for the problem.

If we go back to the NDP, I predict a number of things will happen:

1. Corporate and personal taxes will increase

2. The number of people working for the government will increase

3. Government handouts will be the norm.

4. Our provincial debt will balloon, hopefully not as bad as Ray managed to do in Ontario

5. Our provincial government will be too cozy with the Federal Government, and refrain for standing up for our rights as a province.

6. Foreign investment will continue to lag

7. Our P & NG reserves and production will drop, and the price of gas at the pump will increase dramatically

8. Our hunters will have fewer guns, but the crooks will still be well armed

9. Our province and the residents will be worse off five years from now

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

If we go back to the NDP, I predict a number of things will happen:

1. Corporate and personal taxes will increase

2. The number of people working for the government will increase

3. Government handouts will be the norm.

4. Our provincial debt will balloon, hopefully not as bad as Ray managed to do in Ontario

5. Our provincial government will be too cozy with the Federal Government, and refrain for standing up for our rights as a province.

6. Foreign investment will continue to lag

7. Our P & NG reserves and production will drop, and the price of gas at the pump will increase dramatically

8. Our hunters will have fewer guns, but the crooks will still be well armed

9. Our province and the residents will be worse off five years from now

Should probably research what the provincial government has control over unless you think we should blame the current Alberta government for the high gas prices now (although dropping!)

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And? Boo hoo? If you make more you pay more. And oh wait, you have that wrong.

"More than $216,511 33%"
https://www.canada.ca/en/financial-c...taxes-2/5.html

And if you know how taxes work better than Danielle Smith does, you'd know that's only on the portion of income over $216,511.

But that didn't answer when was the last time taxes went up.

Haha that’s why I said “over” dude. But thanks for taking time out of what I’m sure is a busy day for you to google that good news for me on that bracket amount going up!

Anyways yeah public unions are terrible. I’m not sure why the federal ndp thinks that anti scab legislation is anything any normal Canadian would care about, further entrenching money away from tax payers for their own members benefits while a lot of normal productive people struggle with inflation and increased cost of living. The fact that these clowns also push a carbon tax and are actively trying to strangle our oil and gas sector thereby making energy even more unaffordable is just a cherry on top.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

If we go back to the NDP, I predict a number of things will happen:

1. Corporate and personal taxes will increase

2. The number of people working for the government will increase

3. Government handouts will be the norm.

4. Our provincial debt will balloon, hopefully not as bad as Ray managed to do in Ontario

5. Our provincial government will be too cozy with the Federal Government, and refrain for standing up for our rights as a province.

6. Foreign investment will continue to lag

7. Our P & NG reserves and production will drop, and the price of gas at the pump will increase dramatically

8. Our hunters will have fewer guns, but the crooks will still be well armed

9. Our province and the residents will be worse off five years from now

Corporate and personal taxes should absolutely go up for high earners. I think people should be taxed 50% over $200k and 90% over $1,000,000. I say that understanding it would create problems since other jurisdictions wouldn't do the same, but I'm talking in my Utopia. I hate seeing the spread between haves and have-nots grow. I'd like the wealthy to still be able to be wealthy, but maybe to a more reasonable degree if it means elevating those who aren't as lucky (and let's face it, wealthy people are wealthy primarily because of luck and not because they're just so awesome compared to everyone else).

So yeah, my vote for NDP would come with the hope for higher taxes knowing I would be taxed more. Because I like to think I'm not selfish.

What rights as a province are we so worried about exactly? I'm a Canadian first and an Albertan second. It's not like I cruised around Europe in the 90s with an Alberta flag on my backpack like some total weirdo. It was the maple leaf.

You're worried about foreign investment? Okay, well let's kick UCP to the curb, then. They're creating instability with their stupidity (e.g. how they're handling the film industry).

Hunters will have fewer guns? IDK, as long as they have some I think they'll be okay. I'm sensitive to the fact that it's their hobby and different guns serve different purposes for them, so I'm not in favour of taking all their guns or something. I know there has been gun restriction talk lately, but I guess I don't know enough about it to saddle up to either party on this one. I do know that people in Canada don't generally use guns for self-defense, anyway, so I guess I've just never worried about bad guys with guns in my life. Are you and that's why you brought that up?

I don't feel like going through the rest of your points, but IDK man, I just think you've boogie-manned the NDP into not viewing them - or UCP - rationally.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Haha that’s why I said “over” dude. But thanks for taking time out of what I’m sure is a busy day for you to google that good news for me on that bracket amount going up!

Anyways yeah public unions are terrible. I’m not sure why the federal ndp thinks that anti scab legislation is anything any normal Canadian would care about, further entrenching money away from tax payers for their own members benefits while a lot of normal productive people struggle with inflation and increased cost of living. The fact that these clowns also push a carbon tax and are actively trying to strangle our oil and gas sector thereby making energy even more unaffordable is just a cherry on top.

Well our premier and the Frasier institute aren't aware of it, so just making sure! Anyway, if the only people complaining about taxes being too high are those making over 200k I think we are probably on the right track.

[flamesfever]

A lot of our success as a province is due to the entrepreneurial spirit of the many people who were willing to take risks. I firmly believe that a vote for the NDP will dampen that spirit.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

Haha that’s why I said “over” dude. But thanks for taking time out of what I’m sure is a busy day for you to google that good news for me on that bracket amount going up!

Anyways yeah public unions are terrible. I’m not sure why the federal ndp thinks that anti scab legislation is anything any normal Canadian would care about, further entrenching money away from tax payers for their own members benefits while a lot of normal productive people struggle with inflation and increased cost of living. The fact that these clowns also push a carbon tax and are actively trying to strangle our oil and gas sector thereby making energy even more unaffordable is just a cherry on top.

Unions push a carbon tax and are actively trying to strangle our oil and gas sector? I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume you don’t talk to very many Union folks do you? You might make better fact based arguments if you took your head out of the sand.

On a side note, the “normal” productive people struggling would probably be better served using the groups you’re complaining about to try and reduce the negative effects of things like inflation and increased costs of living instead of taking your approach of making things up to try and attack them.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

A lot of our success as a province is due to the entrepreneurial spirit of the many people who were willing to take risks. I firmly believe that a vote for the NDP will dampen that spirit.

Explain. I'm willing to learn.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

A lot of our success as a province is due to the entrepreneurial spirit of the many people who were willing to take risks. I firmly believe that a vote for the NDP will dampen that spirit.

The difference between Alberta and any other province in Canada is that millions of years ago a bunch of stuff died and decomposed in the ground and created fossil fuels. You are no more gung ho in Alberta than the guy in Manitoba, Ontario or PEI.