Too early to panic about Markstrom - Page 23 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

TrentCrimmIndependent · 12-02-2022, 02:25 PM

the freak play flying out of his net taking himself out of the play 10 seconds in was the difference between points and no points

it was in his control and he made a poor decision and it gave the Habs a free goal that they likely don't get if he just stays in his net

that freak play counts for a lot when it's unforced self sabotage right at the start of a game behind a team that needs confidence right now

its the difference between an 890 and a 940 on the night

TrentCrimmIndependent · 12-02-2022, 02:32 PM

we need to stop excusing or overlooking the extra uneccesary goal allowed game to game

they're literally the difference between where our goaltending is and where it needs to be to win or collect points

Bingo · 12-02-2022, 02:34 PM

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Whose fault was that freak play? Whose fault was the PP leading to the one timer? Yes Mang but Markstrom didnt need to initiate it.

13 seconds into a game and the defense is so wide that they give up a loose puck breakaway down the center of the ice to a guy with two hip surgeries and you're looking to blame it on the goaltender?

Enoch Root · 12-02-2022, 02:40 PM

I think it's absolutely fair to put some serious blame on Markstrom for the loss last night.

Not only were they playing from behind the entire game, due to his two bad decisions, and not only does that affect how a team plays, but it also affects how the other team plays.

The Habs knew they were getting dominated all night - they're watching the game too - but when you're ahead even though you don't deserve to be, it gives you confidence and makes you feel like you could steal one. Same thing for the goalie - Allen is thinking all night that he is winning the goaltending battle and that he could be the hero.

If it is 0-0 for the first 40 minutes, instead of 1-0, there is a very different feel to the game, an inevitability that the Flame are going to score eventually .

Confidence is a big thing in sports. And Markstrom's gaffes are sinking the team.

Toonage · 12-02-2022, 02:42 PM

Also Josh Anderson knew exactly what he was doing when he confronted Markstrom. He knew the goalie was rattled and was trying to get him to bite and throw him off his game more.

Enoch Root · 12-02-2022, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

13 seconds into a game and the defense is so wide that they give up a loose puck breakaway down the center of the ice to a guy with two hip surgeries and you're looking to blame it on the goaltender?

No one is saying that there isn't blame on others.

But it wasn't a breakaway - Monahan was no where near the puck. It should have been a fairly routine situation to defend, because Monahan would have been rushed and crowded offensively. Instead, Markstrom created a sure goal.

Finger Cookin · 12-02-2022, 02:44 PM

There was a lot of contributing factors to that first goal -- but Markstrom's decision was the biggest. I spent a lot of the evening trying to think of a worse bush league style goal given up by a Flames netminder, and none came to mind. Probably not since the Turek days, I feel like he had a few embarrassments. But, wow.

I'm a Markstrom fan, I'm confident he will bounce back this season.

Bingo · 12-02-2022, 02:53 PM

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No one is saying that there isn't blame on others.

But it wasn't a breakaway - Monahan was no where near the puck. It should have been a fairly routine situation to defend, because Monahan would have been rushed and crowded offensively. Instead, Markstrom created a sure goal.

Monahan would have had a point blank shot if Markstrom didn't come out.

Up for debate if he would have been better staying in the cage and just making a difficult save but Monahan would have gotten a blue chip chance.

Enoch Root · 12-02-2022, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Monahan would have had a point blank shot if Markstrom didn't come out.

Up for debate if he would have been better staying in the cage and just making a difficult save but Monahan would have gotten a blue chip chance.

A blue chip chance, maybe, though probably from an angle. But his all or nothing play was a panic move. And it defined the game.

Redrum · 12-02-2022, 03:01 PM

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I don't see a goalie that sucked last night.

I saw a freak play for an empty netter, and a one timer by a goal scorer.

Hard to say, he went on to stop 1 of Montreal's 2 chances the rest of the way.

TrentCrimmIndependent · 12-02-2022, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Monahan would have had a point blank shot if Markstrom didn't come out.

Up for debate if he would have been better staying in the cage and just making a difficult save but Monahan would have gotten a blue chip chance.

hahaha

so taking himself out of the play with a slip n slide dash and leaving an empty net was a more calculated decision than staying in the net and giving Sean broken wrists a good shot on a goalie in position ?

OK

I get you guys feel bad for the guy but take a step back and look at what you're trying to justify here

Bingo · 12-02-2022, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

A blue chip chance, maybe, though probably from an angle. But his all or nothing play was a panic move. And it defined the game.

Right up the middle

He thwarted the puck carrier who didn't even get a shot on goal.

TrentCrimmIndependent · 12-02-2022, 03:04 PM

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Right up the middle

He thwarted the puck carrier who didn't even get a shot on goal.

just forgot to think about what might happen afterwards when he is swimming two miles out from his net

Bingo · 12-02-2022, 03:07 PM

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just forgot to think about what might happen afterwards when he is swimming two miles out from his net

You mean teammates picking up the opposing players?

Yeah what a dummy to assume he'd get some help!

ComixZone · 12-02-2022, 03:19 PM

Raz definitely blows his coverage on that goal.

...but look at that Markstrom read. No chance he's getting in time to do anything but what he did. Just a bad hockey play. Poor guy.

Redrum · 12-02-2022, 03:19 PM

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You mean teammates picking up the opposing players?

Yeah what a dummy to assume he'd get some help!

He kicked it right on to Slaf's stick and it was in the net in a second. Were the D supposed to teleport over to him instantly? Maybe they forgot their mind reading helmets? For the first few games it was the people piling on him that were annoying...

Bingo · 12-02-2022, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Redrum

He kicked it right on to Slaf's stick and it was in the net in a second. Were the D supposed to teleport over to him instantly? Maybe they forgot their mind reading helmets? For the first few games it was the people piling on him that were annoying...

That's a lot of skill for a sliding goaltender to hit a guy right on the tape!

Honestly guys ... I don't like the play either. But the mistake was already made by the two defensemen. It was either going to be a great save, or a quick goal.

Markstrom took a chance, ... as I said I don't like his call either. But there was a decent chance it was a goal based on the skaters not being ready to play, before he made that call.

The fact that he actually prevented the shot from the key player means to me he helped alleviate the situation to some degree. Bad luck from there put it in the net, which is a shame because they almost survived a crazy play.

Just seems like a dogpile to me finding fault in a goaltender for a blown defensive play in a 2-1 hockey game.

ben voyonsdonc · 12-02-2022, 03:25 PM

That play seemed to be a result a goalie who is trying too hard to get things back on track. His post game comments while being pretty accurate also show that he probably needs to have a good amount of time to get right mentally.

Being a struggling forward is tough, but it can be covered up to an extent by teammates. Struggling as a goalie is hard to cover up and you don't have as many people who you can lean on who have gone through the same thing.

We really need him to get right and I think it will take time and effort off of the ice (and in practice) to get him there.

Hack&Lube · 12-02-2022, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Right up the middle

He thwarted the puck carrier who didn't even get a shot on goal.

Maybe he just missed Sean Monahan (the puck carrier) and wanted to rush out to give him a hug.

AFireInside · 12-02-2022, 03:30 PM

This is all so silly. Markstrom was fine last night. If the team gets so rattled that they can't handle being down by 1 goal early in the game then they have no chance of winning anyway.

I don't like his decision, but that loss isn't on Markstrom. This team needs to score. Going into the third high danger chances were 7 - 5 Calgary. Calgary had double the shots and only two more high danger chances.

That's why they are losing.