Too early to panic about Markstrom

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Can't believe the anti-Markstrom sentiment after a 2-1 game where the offence couldn't score more than one goal on 46 shots.

Odd.

Odd in that last night wasn't an example of a player playing poorly.
Odd in the massive over reactions that are coming from it (washed up, backup indefinitely)

I'm really glad the actual decisions are coming from less emotional people.

But even Markstrom has anti-Markstrom sentiment at this time. He's been chipping people after the play and beaking at refs constantly this season (sometimes even announcers don't know what his issue is when he takes things up with the refs). I'm fairly positive with the flames in general, but if our coaching and management don't see an issue I would have to question them.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

expecting 1GA and an OT point or win when the habs generated next to nothing is reasonable when it comes to the game last night

there was no reason for our goalie to give up 2 on 19 while theirs gave up 1 on 45

The Caufield goal was a perfect shot from an elite young goal scorer, and the first goal is on Markstrom.

Overall, if you outshoot your opponent 45-19 and give up 2 goals, you’re going to win more than you lose.

It’s Christmas time - be merry.

[Kasi]

I’ll go with Markstrom here. He said he sucked on the first goal. He also said he sucked on the penalty when asked about it. Yes Flames should have scored 3-4 but they didn’t. But he had two gaffes and still had a sub .900 save percentage. Yes it was only two goals but he has to be better than that.

I also think an athlete whose mental state is like that really can’t be the starter right now. He has no confidence and keeps making mistakes. This is where I like baseball with rehab assignments and such. But NHL contracts don’t allow this. (Tbh baseball doesn’t either after a certain point)

[dino7c]

Part of the reason we have the 2nd best goalie on the ice most games is the fact our shooters don't bury their chances at even an average rate

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kasi

I’ll go with Markstrom here. He said he sucked on the first goal. He also said he sucked on the penalty when asked about it. Yes Flames should have scored 3-4 but they didn’t. But he had two gaffes and still had a sub .900 save percentage. Yes it was only two goals but he has to be better than that.

He wasn't good, he hasn't been good

Expecting and needing a shutout every game is not a good way to build a goalies confidence.

Heck Vladar blamed himself in Carolina because of the 3rd goal. These guys expect to be perfect but it's not gonna happen. His team let him down IMO

[Kasi]

19 shots against. Very few high quality chances. That’s a shutout or one goal game. Sometimes you just need to win a game for the team. Markstrom has been awful this year at that. I’d say outside of Pittsburgh, Vegas and Carolina he’s done very little to help swing any close games.

[PuckSlap]

He’s been bad this year. But let’s not let the players of the hook on lasts nights muffin fest

[badradio]

I feel sorry for Marky after his comments... makes me think he's not getting the support behind the scenes that he needs... Not sure how good Labarbra is... It always confuses me that these average past goaltenders become coaches to goalies that are better than they were... I'd want an elite goalie coaching an elite goalie... or someone like David Marcoux who brings a ton of off-ice fundamental training and psychological training... that makes more sense to me... Anyways I know he can get through it with the right support.

[Burning Beard]

Isn't his wife super pregnant right now? That can do it to a guy but you hate to see it and hope he can talk to the right person the be more mindful in the net. Turn his brain off of outside noise for 60 minutes and just focus on simple, good goaltending. Really hope he can get it together as this team needs him to be good the way they are designed.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

he still managed to give up a freebie despite only 2 goals against

that opening sequence is what ****s a teams confidence from the get go

less than 20 shots to deal with .. still manages to be under .900

a competent goalie sends that game into OT at least .. the Habs generated very little .. markstrkms job doesn't get much easier .. but he couldn't resist leaving his net on a dangerous play

Not how I saw it, honestly.

I don't love the goalie coming out move, but he did what he intended to do, which was nuke a breakaway on his sleeping defensemen.

The puck bounced the wrong way and nobody had players 2 and 3 coming along next.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Burn13

43-18 shots deceptive. Scoring chances were closer.

Frustration cost the game on Marky and Mangipane. No other way to paint it.

Season is slipping...

38-16 in scoring chances
19-6 in high danger

Closer?

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Part of the reason we have the 2nd best goalie on the ice most games is the fact our shooters don't bury their chances at even an average rate

Confidence seems pretty low across the board - BUT - the team seems to play better in front of Vlader.

[traptor]

At the end of the day the problem is not winning hockey games. Poor goaltending is one aspect of that but not the only aspect. Markstrom needs to sit for a bit but putting 1 goal up on 40 shots is not a recipe for success and is not a trend that is limited to this one game. Offense has been just as much of an issue which is really worrisome. Team that can't score and can't stop scoring is not a good team.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not how I saw it, honestly.

I don't love the goalie coming out move, but he did what he intended to do, which was nuke a breakaway on his sleeping defensemen.

The puck bounced the wrong way and nobody had players 2 and 3 coming along next.

I agree. Apart from that mishap, Markstrom made solid saves the rest of the way. And leaving the reason for the powerplay aside, I don’t think he can be criticized for the 2nd goal - that was the result of a great pass leading to a great one-timer. What does concern me was how down on himself he was in the presser afterward.

[AustinL_NHL]

Trying to rid Markstrom of blame just because he only let it in 2 goals (due to the Flames' play in front of him, not his own) in a 2-1 loss is weird to me, because yes you can blame the Flames' lack of finish, but their defensive game was brilliant, only to once-again be outdone by incompetence in net.

Why would I blame the team in front of him that dominated the Habs all night and pounded Allen with shots & chances all night over the guy who was once again the 2nd best goalie on the ice by an other-wordly margin despite incredible team play in front of him, and single-handedly flipped the momentum in the 3rd when the Flames were leading like 10-0 in shots by needing to try and play Mr. Tough Guy, forcing Mangiapane to needlessly stick up for him and take a penalty?

Yea, I'll give credit to the team that only scored 1 goal despite dominating over the goalie that costs his team even when they literally play dominant enough that he doesn't touch the puck.

Markstrom has single-handedly cost the Flames close to 10 points already this season, if not more. I honestly don't think that's even exaggeration. Waaaaaay too many games that his gaffes have cost the Flames dearly.

He flat out sucks right now, and I would argue that's a severe understatement.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

forcing Mangiapane to needlessly stick up for him and take a penalty?

He didn't force him to do anything though. He could have just skated up and pushed him away. Or the ref could have decided to not be a clown and not give either team the powerplay.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Confidence seems pretty low across the board - BUT - the team seems to play better in front of Vlader.

Wat? he has 2 wins

Vladar has got way less run support

record suggests the team plays better in front of Markstrom but Vladar has played better in goal

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Trying to rid Markstrom of blame just because he only let it in 2 goals (due to the Flames' play in front of him, not his own) in a 2-1 loss is weird to me, because yes you can blame the Flames' lack of finish, but their defensive game was brilliant, only to once-again be outdone by incompetence in net.

Why would I blame the team in front of him that dominated the Habs all night and pounded Allen with shots & chances all night over the guy who was once again the 2nd best goalie on the ice by an other-wordly margin despite incredible team play in front of him, and single-handedly flipped the momentum in the 3rd when the Flames were leading like 10-0 in shots by needing to try and play Mr. Tough Guy, forcing Mangiapane to needlessly stick up for him and take a penalty?

Yea, I'll give credit to the team that only scored 1 goal despite dominating over the goalie that costs his team even when they literally play dominant enough that he doesn't touch the puck.

Markstrom has single-handedly cost the Flames close to 10 points already this season, if not more. I honestly don't think that's even exaggeration. Waaaaaay too many games that his gaffes have cost the Flames dearly.

He flat out sucks right now, and I would argue that's a severe understatement.

Markstroms consistency in allowing that one extra eyebrow raising goal against has been the difference between picking up points and going home empty handed in a lot of his starts

unforced errors or just terrible gaffes is costing the team as much as the scoring the other way

if either one does better the Flames record improves

I feel like a goalie with markstroms resume getting paid 6/yr to be in the top 15 goalies can and should be able to clean up the weak goals and wandering fron his net easier than the group that is lacking chemistry filling the opponents net

his mistakes seem so unnecessary given he can follow them up with ten bell saves

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Trying to rid Markstrom of blame just because he only let it in 2 goals (due to the Flames' play in front of him, not his own) in a 2-1 loss is weird to me, because yes you can blame the Flames' lack of finish, but their defensive game was brilliant, only to once-again be outdone by incompetence in net.

Why would I blame the team in front of him that dominated the Habs all night and pounded Allen with shots & chances all night over the guy who was once again the 2nd best goalie on the ice by an other-wordly margin despite incredible team play in front of him, and single-handedly flipped the momentum in the 3rd when the Flames were leading like 10-0 in shots by needing to try and play Mr. Tough Guy, forcing Mangiapane to needlessly stick up for him and take a penalty?

Yea, I'll give credit to the team that only scored 1 goal despite dominating over the goalie that costs his team even when they literally play dominant enough that he doesn't touch the puck.

Markstrom has single-handedly cost the Flames close to 10 points already this season, if not more. I honestly don't think that's even exaggeration. Waaaaaay too many games that his gaffes have cost the Flames dearly.

He flat out sucks right now, and I would argue that's a severe understatement.

I don't see a goalie that sucked last night.

I saw a freak play for an empty netter, and a one timer by a goal scorer.

[redmile04]

Whose fault was that freak play? Whose fault was the PP leading to the one timer? Yes Mang but Markstrom didnt need to initiate it.