[PGT] 2 big bedard points

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Is it our goaltending coaching? Marky has devolved into Mike Smith-level puck handling decision making in the last year or so. Wonder if there is correlation to Smith doing the same

Markstrom has always been a bit of an adventure with puck handling, but I know when the Flames signed Smith they made a point of discussing how much they liked him handling the puck. Saving wear & tear on the D core etc. Then, perhaps unsurprisingly, Rittich started handling the puck more with Smith helping him out (I recall them working on it during practices), and its just been something our goalies - except Vladar to this point- have done. I assume its just an organizational mandate. As in the GM likes it and the goalie dept wants this too. All IMO of course.

What happened last night? That was something a little out of left field but Markstrom tried this a few years ago when the team was underperforming and he took a knee to the head as I recall.

[howard_the_duck]

Continued frustration in watching this team. Territorial advantage, high shot volume, but extreme predictability.

The only solution at this point that I can see is an injection of youth/speed that we have in our system.

Has to be the next move, and soon.

[Psytic]

Can we try a new goalie coaching staff first. People are calling for Sutter to be fired (albeit for a different reason) and Markstrom to lose the starter net. Why is everyone okay with Labarbra and Sigalet. Has to be cheaper shuffling them out then sitting your 6m goalie and turning him into dead cap. No goalie has improved under either of them. Everyone else gets criticism why not them.

[Hot_Flatus]

Regardless of the Markstrom gaffe last night, this team should be able to score more than 1 goal when they control play to the extent of dominating shots 46-19. I don't know what the answer is, but if the recipe for success for this group is to constantly ask your goaltender to only let in 1 goal or less on many nights, it's not going to go very well.

I wasn't onboard with this until now, but I do think a call-up is needed after watching another game where this team just doesn't do enough to get to the hard areas. Pelletier or Phillips should at least be added for a handful of games to see if they can change the dynamic of the offense on one of the middle 6 lines.

[8sPOT]

Dube, Mangiapanne, and Kadri have been way underperforming. They're all expected to provide some offensive spark but they're doing the opposite.

I thought one major benefit of having the AHL club in Calgary would be easy and quick access to call up players. Not sure I understand what the team is trying to do here. Theres a clear lack of scoring, or offensive creativity. Yet the exact same lineup gets trotted out there. Something needs to change or this hovering around .500 will stay the same all season.

And Bedard points? Are you on glue? Not a chance in hell this team sniffs a top 5 pick.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

I have not been impressed with Markstrom this year, but his last few games have been much better, including this one. Giving up a break away 13 seconds in isn't on the goalie. Did he make a bad decision on goal #1. In hindsight, yes. It's a 50/50 play. The fresh ice made him look ridiculous unfortunately as he slid into the moon and losing 2-1 amplifies that even more.

Our top scoring player doesn't even crack the top 100 in the league. The light really shone on that stat last night.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

Dube, Mangiapanne, and Kadri have been way underperforming. They're all expected to provide some offensive spark but they're doing the opposite.

I thought one major benefit of having the AHL club in Calgary would be easy and quick access to call up players. Not sure I understand what the team is trying to do here. Theres a clear lack of scoring, or offensive creativity. Yet the exact same lineup gets trotted out there. Something needs to change or this hovering around .500 will stay the same all season.

And Bedard points? Are you on glue? Not a chance in hell this team sniffs a top 5 pick.

I think Mang and Dube have been much better over the past few games. Two of our best forwards and only ones creating speed and chances consistently.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Blaming the loss on fans for not being loud is the funniest thing I've read on this site, possibly ever. Hockey is entertainment and it is the team's job to entertain the customer. The game the Flames are playing this year is NOT entertaining. It is getting to the point where I would rather engage in other forms of entertainment than subject myself to the boring dump-and-chase, ring-around-the-boards, take-low-percentage-shots-from-the-outside garbage Sutter has this team playing. Sharknado 4 is more entertaining than most games played by the Flames this year. You want to see fanbase get loud, play some entertaining hockey. The #### on display right now is USDA cutter grader, which is not considered suitable for human consumption. The talent is there, the game plan isn't.

Ok first of all literally nobody is blaming the loss on the fans. I haven't seen that. All anyone is saying is that our fans suck, because they do, and they need to be louder / more supportive, because they do.

Second of all this isn't just some revelation this year or last night. It's not like this concept just emerged. This is a long-term trend of fans sucking in Calgary, not cheering enough, being quiet as ####, and absolutely over all this time there has been exciting hockey. This has already been stated multiple times, but people just are not reading it or purposefully ignoring it to try and always shift blame / never take accountability. Comixzone had the best counter to me, saying you go do 41 games and pay the money etc. etc. Family was season ticket holders for years and I was a season ticket holder for a couple years, and I did try to cheer but it is a weird environment in the Saddledome, to say the least. Especially the lower bowl. But when we watched those games on the road, literally every single building was better- even Florida who Flames fans like to look down their nose at. Maybe it's a cultural thing, I dunno.

However, having said all of the above, I agree with you that the brand of hockey is dull and slow, and I am sure that is PART OF the contribution to the fans sucking so much. Not the whole story, though.

Flames fans basically do nothing, wait for playoffs (if they make it), then get loud. Then they like to pat themselves on the back for being great fans. That's maybe the worst part, the insanely undeserved arrogance.

Lastly, again, the team spends to the cap, has some of the most reasonable prices in the NHL, and the Flames are witnessing continual declining attendance figures. They moved the Wranglers to Calgary and my sons U9 team gets more people out to his games than they do theirs. I actually think Calgary just might not be a very good hockey market to be honest. Maybe it's oversaturated or something, dunno.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I have not been impressed with Markstrom this year, but his last few games have been much better, including this one. Giving up a break away 13 seconds in isn't on the goalie. Did he make a bad decision on goal #1. In hindsight, yes. It's a 50/50 play. The fresh ice made him look ridiculous unfortunately as he slid into the moon and losing 2-1 amplifies that even more.

Our top scoring player doesn't even crack the top 100 in the league. The light really shone on that stat last night.

I'd also put the second goal on him as he continues to do the crease/official antics that are completely unnecessary. Mang took the penalty on accord of Markstom's dumb reaction.

He just needs to settle down and get out of his own way.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by madmike

I agree you can’t blame the fans. Watching the Flames right now is as exciting as watching paint dry. If the team can’t play well enough to get fans into the game, then they don’t deserve cheers.

It wouldn't matter if it was the most exciting hockey on planet earth. This fanbase ain't cheering til playoffs. It's part of Flames fan culture. You go to the game, and shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I'd also put the second goal on him as he continues to do the crease/official antics that are completely unnecessary. Mang took the penalty on accord of Markstom's dumb reaction.

He just needs to settle down and get out of his own way.

I agree Markstrom over reacted. But, that reaction wouldn't have been penalized. Normally, that turn of events ends with a Calgary player calmly skating between the Markstrom and Anderson with some words, maybe a shove. Why Mangiapane had to do whatever it is he was trying to do (talk about embarrassing) is beyond me.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Also any fan from his couch calling out fans that paid $$$ to see the game live should STFU. Any fan that doesn't choose to support the team with their wallet should be thankful that others are paying large sums of money to watch this team. These games are expensive to attend and I have major respect to fans that continue to shell out their money to see this product.

Do you, honestly, think I or others on CP don't support the Flames financially? Buying ####, going to games, spending money on TV to watch them. Holy #### man. People that post on CP aren't just laissez fare. Buying jerseys, buying hats. Buying beer when I go to games, buying ####ing this or that. Come on now.

I've supported the Flames financially plenty. Calling out the fans is literally just calling a spade a spade. Fans should be accountable too. They are part of the equation here, that is the whole ####ing point of bringing it up. Ever heard "tough building to play in"? The reference is not literally the building structure...

[Inglewood Jack]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Also any fan from his couch calling out fans that paid $$$ to see the game live should STFU. Any fan that doesn't choose to support the team with their wallet should be thankful that others are paying large sums of money to watch this team. These games are expensive to attend and I have major respect to fans that continue to shell out their money to see this product.

exactly, I'm dropping like $300 bucks each time I go, why the hell do I have to also work hard to get the team pumped up. you want me to be engaged and cheering and following the play from the edge of my seat...score early, or at least create a bunch of chances that look dangerous and have the crowd going "ooohh". if you fall behind in the first couple of minutes and are mostly just taking harmless point shots in hope of a lucky rebound, sorry but I'm gonna surf my phone and try to ignore all the opposition fans around me that have a reason to be excited.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Regardless of the Markstrom gaffe last night, this team should be able to score more than 1 goal when they control play to the extent of dominating shots 46-19. I don't know what the answer is, but if the recipe for success for this group is to constantly ask your goaltender to only let in 1 goal or less on many nights, it's not going to go very well.

I wasn't onboard with this until now, but I do think a call-up is needed after watching another game where this team just doesn't do enough to get to the hard areas. Pelletier or Phillips should at least be added for a handful of games to see if they can change the dynamic of the offense on one of the middle 6 lines.

They controlled the play...most was in the Habs zone...but they never dominated the play. There is a difference. You can control the play and pass it around the perimeter all you want but that is not dominating the play.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Also any fan from his couch calling out fans that paid $$$ to see the game live should STFU. Any fan that doesn't choose to support the team with their wallet should be thankful that others are paying large sums of money to watch this team. These games are expensive to attend and I have major respect to fans that continue to shell out their money to see this product.

Yeah, those tier II fans should shut their trap!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Do you, honestly, think I or others on CP don't support the Flames financially? Buying ####, going to games, spending money on TV to watch them. Holy #### man. People that post on CP aren't just laissez fare. Buying jerseys, buying hats. Buying beer when I go to games, buying ####ing this or that. Come on now.

I've supported the Flames financially plenty. Calling out the fans is literally just calling a spade a spade. Fans should be accountable too. They are part of the equation here, that is the whole ####ing point of bringing it up. Ever heard "tough building to play in"? The reference is not literally the building structure...

No it’s not the building

It’s the team

Teams like Boston and Tampa are tough buildings to play in. Because the home teams don’t let the other team win often

Although when you saw Chucky having to walk around a cart with a milk crate and a pail of Dubble Bubble to get to the ice, maybe hallway obstructions count too

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Zarley

Yeah, those tier II fans should shut their trap!

Yeah
He said the same thing at that press conference way back when he rehired mactavish.
I bet he knows a thing or two about winning

[mdubz]

My favourite part was our PP which consists of Andersson taking turns passing to the 2 high wingers on each side, then eventually taking a low-danger wrist shot that is immediately cleared out.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by redforever

They controlled the play...most was in the Habs zone...but they never dominated the play. There is a difference. You can control the play and pass it around the perimeter all you want but that is not dominating the play.

That's not what happened last night.

Guessing Jake Allen would have a pretty different opinion as well.

The Flames have certainly gone through games and stretches where high volume doesn't equal much by way of scoring chances, but last night wasn't one of them.

[Goriders]

As much as we crap on Markstrom. You should win the majority of your games giving up 2 goals and 19 shots.

It’s unusual that none of his team mates like Kadri, Mangiapane ect who are doing absolutely nothing offensively are coming to his defence.