[News] Phillips named AHL player of the month for November

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Tacoman

Nope. Game was already over.

In an alternate honest universe (sigh!).

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Francis on 960 saying it's not going to happen for this guy under Darryl Sutter. I think he's right.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's what I was thinking. Since Francis said it's not going to happen, it's likely going to happen.

Which is it Erick. WHICH IS IT?!

[jayswin]

lol

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by nik-

Which is it Erick. WHICH IS IT?!

Exactly. He's right no matter what.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Maybe Sutter's obtuse line combinations, refusal to call up the best player in the NHL, and insitance upon dump and chase is all a 4d chess play to make the team a true underdog?

I'm almost out of optimism though. The last few games have been an absolute challenge to watch. I got to watch a game, mid afternoon, drunk, on MY BIRTHDAY, and I loathed it. That was not a cool experience lol.

It's a military style break them down psychologically so he can build them back up. Whenever the Flames go into the playoffs after a big regular season they get stomped. So maybe the best strategy is to purposely make the team struggle?

Lol....or maybe the organization is flat out just refusing to call up their kids, and stuck in an old mindset that only larger players have a spot in the NHL.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Yamer

It was Brian Sutter.

Originally Posted by boogerz

Brian Sutter was the coach at the time

Ok, it was 'a' Sutter

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by nik-

Which is it Erick. WHICH IS IT?!

I tend to think he won't play because of the way Darryl is grinding guys with the defense first approach but aligning with Francis is gross. Darryl loves to throw curve balls so I would not be surprised if he actually gave him a chance if the GM wants to bring him in for a look.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Yamer

https://twitter.com/user/status/1597384237451444225

Ugghh...The organization let Marc Savard and Martin St. Louis go so that Shantz could get 18:00+ minutes of ice time a night.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by bax

People aren’t going to like this, but to be honest I don’t even think Phillips would be my first call up if the Flames ran into some injury issues. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve a shot somewhere, but just thinking long term I think it’s more important for the organization to get Pelletier or Zary some reps in.

People are pointing to Dube, Mangiapane, Andersson, and Kylington performing great in the AHL and getting the call, but the fact is they all hit that level when they were anywhere from 3-5 years younger than Phillips is now. That’s a huge factor when projecting players. Pelletier and Zary are much much more promising prospects than Phillips.

Again, this isn’t a knock on Phillips. I want him to succeed, but I have hard time seeing it happen here. I think his best bet is to sign with a rebuilding team and try to carve out a role. I think best case scenario he could still become a Dube level forward. Realistically though he is probably more of a Czarnik type.

Would love to be proved wrong though.

Fair take. Even if it's not Phillips, who deserves at least a handful of games to prove himself, the point still stands that this team needs an injection of scoring forwards.

Not sure if the tweet was mentioned in any thread before but the Calgary Flames are the only team to not dress a player from the 2018 Draft and onward.

Grit is good for sure, but Sutter is going to lose this team quickly if he keeps playing his grinders over guys who can score.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I tend to think he won't play because of the way Darryl is grinding guys with the defense first approach but aligning with Francis is gross. Darryl loves to throw curve balls so I would not be surprised if he actually gave him a chance if the GM wants to bring him in for a look.

If Gaudreau can excel under Sutter, so can Phillips. Phillips is a better skater.

The fact Philipps is Calgary born, and still can't get a fair shot, really speaks poorly of the organization too. The Flames have obviously had a problem retaining USA-born stars, and now they won't give Phillips a chance, despite dominating the AHL.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by blankall

If Gaudreau can excel under Sutter, so can Phillips. Phillips is a better skater.

The fact Philipps is Calgary born, and still can't get a fair shot, really speaks poorly of the organization too. The Flames have obviously had a problem retaining USA-born stars, and now they won't give Phillips a chance, despite dominating the AHL.

Phillips is not a better skater than Gaudreau...

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Phillips is not a better skater than Gaudreau...

Sorry....that should say faster. I think Phillis would be a lot better on a backcheck. Obviously Phillips doesn't have the edge work that Gaudreau has.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by blankall

If Gaudreau can excel under Sutter, so can Phillips. Phillips is a better skater.

The fact Philipps is Calgary born, and still can't get a fair shot, really speaks poorly of the organization too. The Flames have obviously had a problem retaining USA-born stars, and now they won't give Phillips a chance, despite dominating the AHL.

Darryl just doesn't seem to be a fan of breaking in players that don't have NHL experience. Look how long it's taking Ruzicka over the last two seasons just to get into games and he's actually produced when in the lineup. I think fans have to come to terms with the fact that this is what you get with a Darryl Sutter coached team. The good is that he delivered a 111 point season last year. The bad is that he's going to go with veteran players for better or worse and he doesn't care what fans or even the GM thinks.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by blankall

Sorry....that should say faster. I think Phillis would be a lot better on a backcheck. Obviously Phillips doesn't have the edge work that Gaudreau has.

Gaudreau doesn't need speed... his acceleration is pretty near the top of the league.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Darryl just doesn't seem to be a fan of breaking in players that don't have NHL experience. Look how long it's taking Ruzicka over the last two seasons just to get into games and he's actually produced when in the lineup. I think fans have to come to terms with the fact that this is what you get with a Darryl Sutter coached team. The good is that he delivered a 111 point season last year. The bad is that he's going to go with veteran players for better or worse and he doesn't care what fans or even the GM thinks.

but isn't the point of having the same system on the farm so that young players when called up don't need to be " broken in" to the way the parent club plays and get up to speed with relative ease ?

I think the case with rosey was he wasn't consistent with effort and that was an issue specific to him

don't think that has implications on Phillips and how he much he is used unless Phillips is equally as inconsistent or size is a detriment

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I do wonder what goes through darryl sutters head watching Phillips score 2-3 goals a game from his coach's box

"definitely not what my team could use right now" ?

boggles the mind

[bax]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I do wonder what goes through darryl sutters head watching Phillips score 2-3 goals a game from his coach's box

"definitely not what my team could use right now" ?

boggles the mind

I mean, he should just give someone like Dube more of an opportunity then shouldn’t he? Dube produced very similarly in the AHL as Phillips when he was 4 years younger than Phillips is now.

Andrew Poturalski had 101 points in the AHL last year and I don’t see any teams lining up to get him into the NHL.

Age curves are are a very real thing, you can look at a lot of historical data. It’s not so much about how much production a player has, it’s more about when that production happens on their development timeline.

Again, that’s not to say Phillips doesn’t deserve a look because I think he does. It’s not some travesty that he’s not getting top 6 reps in the NHL though. Even with his awesome numbers this year the most likely outcome is still that he is a fringe NHL guy at best.

That whole stat about the Flames not graduating any prospects since 2018 sounds bad too, but you have to remember the Flames have been extremely fortunate with injuries to their forward group. That won’t last forever.

[Moneyhands23]

If we lose again tonight and no call ups then I will be inching my way towards BT and Sutter being the #1 problem with the team.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

but isn't the point of having the same system on the farm so that young players when called up don't need to be " broken in" to the way the parent club plays and get up to speed with relative ease ?

I think the case with rosey was he wasn't consistent with effort and that was an issue specific to him

don't think that has implications on Phillips and how he much he is used unless Phillips is equally as inconsistent or size is a detriment

Ruzicka had to move to the wing. There was a big learning curve for him in that department this year and ever since that move, he has found much more consistency and opportunity.

I would say that he had graduated from the farm last year though.

[8sPOT]

It's not like Dube or Mangiapane are doing anything right now, what's the harm in giving Phillips a look in one of their spots?

If anything just let the team know that the status quo is borderline garbage.

Reward Phillips, punish Dube/Mangiapane. Seems like a win/win that has zero downside.