[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

My understanding is that Johnny was asking for 8 years, $8.5 million AAV last off-season and the Flames didn't match.

I wonder what the embarrassing offer was? Maybe it was only 5 year term but that seems like a reasonable ask. I suppose before the contract year Johnny was considered very one dimensional with no defensive game at all

[dino7c]

Gaudreau's don't seem to do themselves many favors in the media...calling multi million dollar contract offers embarassing is kinda tone deaf.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Gaudreau's don't seem to do themselves many favors in the media...calling multi million dollar contract offers embarassing is kinda tone deaf.

i mean we don't really know what the Flames offered, but because it's a multimillion dollar offer, it's done deaf?

[Monahammer]

Wasn't the rumored offer somewhere around 6.5x8 ? I seem to remember that floating around. And frankly, after the season he had prior to that, I can see why. Many of us on the board (myself included) were desperate to trade him at that point and were wary of a contract.

I think it's valid to be insulted by a contract offer. Especially because of how his contracts shook out, this was basically his make or break for future finances. The last chance to truly maximize his career earnings. Coming in at .6 expected wounds the ego, no doubt.

Again, I feel deeply that this is something we all need to let go and stop focusing on. It's so far beyond jilted ex now that we're well into stalking territory. He doesn't play here anymore and likely won't again. Good luck to him, no sense dwelling on anything him or his parents say, or vice versa anything that Eric Francis makes up about him.

[Monahammer]

Alternately, the lot of those focused on Johnny should be asking why we can't offer Huberdeau straight up for him. That's how we could fit his contract. Would CLB bite? No idea. Otherwise, why care about what Johnny Gaudreau is doing or saying.

[Burning Beard]

So he is annoyed at a low offer after a couple of garbage seasons and this is the Flames fault? Would any other teams be offering 10x7 at this time? I think not. Then when the Flames do offer him 10.5x8 (after he earned that with his play) he walks. Where is the outrage at the Flames in all of this?

[tony-soprano]

Sounds like decided to have a career year in a contract year, after not being happy about the deal he received when he wasn't giving it his all every game.

[Toonage]

Maybe they meant he was embarrassed by his own performance?

Yeah, probably not.

[kipperiggy]

Who cares if Brad lowballed or embarrassed him after two down years?

$10.5x8 was the contract allegedly demanded, Flames met, Johnny still walked - isn't that embarrassing too?

He should never have signed the first day in Columbus. Locke called it right, his agent done goofed up.

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Why do we still give a #### about this?

Spoiler!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

i mean we don't really know what the Flames offered, but because it's a multimillion dollar offer, it's done deaf?

"Embarrassing" is the thing not going over well and tone deaf. Your son was offered millions for playing a kid's game. Comment is getting ripped on social media. Poor choice if words IMO. Just say they were too far apart or something.

Gaudreau should have been embarrassed by his play that season as most of the team should have been. Imagine missing the playoffs in a Canadian division because you couldn't beat the Sens.

[SuperMatt18]

My guess is the Flames offered $7M, and Gaudreau wanted $9M.

I don't think between $6.5M or $7M would have been embarrassing based on the prior two seasons of a 68 and 72 point pace.

Generally $1M for every 10 points is around the rate for a UFA. So $7M would have been right in line with what he was worth coming off those two seasons.

He bet on himself which was smart, but to be offended or embarrassed is kind of weird.

It's more embarassing to turn down $10.5M to then take less in Columbus of all places.

[bax]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

My guess is the Flames offered $7M, and Gaudreau wanted $9M.

I don't think between $6.5M or $7M would have been embarrassing based on the prior two seasons of a 68 and 72 point pace.

Generally $1M for every 10 points is around the rate for a UFA. So $7M would have been right in line with what he was worth coming off those two seasons.

He bet on himself which was smart, but to be offended or embarrassed is kind of weird.

It's more embarassing to turn down $10.5M to then take less in Columbus of all places.

If you’re going to structure all of your contracts around how many points a player got in the previous year you’re going to be in trouble.

The major concerning thing here is why didn’t the Flames know their own player well enough? Why did their contract offers vary that significantly based on one season of play?

I get they have to try and play the market as well, but it’s always been painfully obvious how talented and important Gaudreau was. There are very few players in the league that are a cheat code in the transition game and can set up offensive zone time. He WAS our offense for years. Could create something out of nothing.

If the Flames thought they could win with him they should have been happy to tack on a couple extra million in 2021.

[Jordan!]

You guys are like bitter Ex's over here. now his wife wanted to stay in Calgary and he was a coke head? Jesus Murphy.

Johnny is clearly dumb as a bag of rocks, and his agent isn't far off.. he'll get points in a market without a spotlight on every move of his life. He'll be happy along the way.

He doesn't care about winning..

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

You guys are like bitter Ex's over here. now his wife wanted to stay in Calgary and he was a coke head? Jesus Murphy.

Johnny is clearly dumb as a bag of rocks, and his agent isn't far off.. he'll get points in a market without a spotlight on every move of his life. He'll be happy along the way.

He doesn't care about winning..

Interesting to mock people for making educated guesses as to what happened and then make stone cold assumptions of your own. I like it.

[traptor]

I don't get the hate.

He was torn down to the last bit like anyone would be with life decisions where there are multiple large life implications to weigh and you just started a family.

He had a good thing going here, it was familiar and he was developing and legacy and the team was clicking. He liked the organization and the city where he had started his career. A big part of him wanted to stay obviously.

He also recently got married and had a baby. Both him and his wife are from another country and grew up on the other side of the continent. Him and his wife probably had some desire to raise their child in the North East States where they grew up. They probably also had some desire to be a bit closer to their families, especially with the stuff that happened with COVID.

Throw in the general uncertainty of free agency with not knowing what teams are interested and what offers they are willing to pay.

Chucky decisively wanted out and took that opportunity with little hesitation.

[sss1]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Gaudreau's don't seem to do themselves many favors in the media...calling multi million dollar contract offers embarassing is kinda tone deaf.

Hardly. It's perfectly reasonable to say an offer is 'low' if the offer doesn't match market value. That doesn't matter if it's a million dollar offer or not.

That doesn't go to say that the Flames particularly tried to low-ball Johnny, as they are a business trying to strategize for the future.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by kipperiggy

Who cares if Brad lowballed or embarrassed him after two down years?

$10.5x8 was the contract allegedly demanded, Flames met, Johnny still walked - isn't that embarrassing too?

He should never have signed the first day in Columbus. Locke called it right, his agent done goofed up.

From what I have heard his agent thought he should take the Calgary deal. I am not sure his agent is responsible for the Jackets deal either, was it not reported Gaudreau contacted Columbus and they were shocked because they didn't even bother to reach out to him because they didn't think he would want to come there? I don't think his agent has anything to do with it.

[bax]

From my perspective there was probably 3-4 really important factors to Johnny and no single location could offer them all.

He chose being closer to home and had to settle elsewhere. Can’t blame him.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bax

From my perspective there was probably 3-4 really important factors to Johnny and no single location could offer them all.

He chose being closer to home and had to settle elsewhere. Can’t blame him.

The weird thing is that rumour is the Devil's offered him more money. So he chose less money to move further from home and a team that has no prospects of winning anytime soon vs one of the best young upcoming teams in the NHL.