FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022

[Locke]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

At least their flag is a plus…

You earned it.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Slava

Well apparently this image is straight from the book and it shouldn't be a penalty...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1597332269709918208

See what’s stupid there is both arms are making the body bigger, so the rule itself isn’t mutually exclusive and leaves it up to ref / var interpretation.

They should probably make it so intentional hand ball is PK and other scenarios where it’s unintentional but obstructs play is an indirect free kick.

[EldrickOnIce]

LUSAIL, Qatar (AP) — A protester ran onto the field Monday carrying a rainbow flag and wearing a blue Superman T-shirt that said “SAVE UKRAINE” on the front and “RESPECT FOR IRANIAN WOMAN” on the back during a World Cup match between Portugal and Uruguay.

https://apnews.com/article/world-cup...fdc946b400a603

[Slava]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

See what’s stupid there is both arms are making the body bigger, so the rule itself isn’t mutually exclusive and leaves it up to ref / var interpretation.

They should probably make it so intentional hand ball is PK and other scenarios where it’s unintentional but obstructs play is an indirect free kick.

That’s probably a good solution. There are times (like today) where it was not some amazing scoring chance, and to offer up what amounts to a 70% chance of a goal seems like it’s too much.

I think they chose that image so they could show both scenarios though.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Slava

Tough for me to pull for Croatia when their supporters do this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...atia-fans.html

And at the same time, pride flags and such aren't allowed in the stadiums, but no issues with that kind of banner/flag?

And no mention of this in any Canadian press? With all the sensitivity around everything in this country if someone feels slighted by someone else, and scolding press in Canada gives Herdman and his choice of words as some trash talk to motivate his team, vs a player from the team is personally harassed before the game, singled out by racist fans all game, with chants and banners, and it’s swept away as a non incident?

Wileman mentioned something about the booing of Borjan, though he mentioned was to do with playing too conservative, which didn’t make sense when it was 3-1 down, but that explains it.

Disgusting.

Borjan front and center saluting the fans at the end along with a distraught looking Herdman, seemed also out of place and odd at the time but given the above, also makes some sense to show that unity.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

They should probably make it so intentional hand ball is PK and other scenarios where it’s unintentional but obstructs play is an indirect free kick.

The rule is already confusing enough as it is and your want to complicate it further by throwing in a second criteria?

Why don't you go the whole way and join with that poster that wants to consider the % scoring chance and what part of the box the offence is in before determining whether a penalty should be awarded or not?

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Bagor

The rule is already confusing enough as it is and your want to complicate it further by throwing in a second criteria?

Why don't you go the whole way and join with that poster that wants to consider the % scoring chance and what part of the box the offence is in before determining whether a penalty should be awarded or not?

The two biggest problems in football, IMO, are that far too many games' outcomes are determined by the inches between offside and not offside, and that far too many games' outcomes are determined by the fine line between penalty kick and no penalty kick. I don't know exactly what the best solutions are, but I do know that there's room for improvement.

[Bagor]

Agreed but it needs to be simplified not complicated further.
At least (it could be argued) that offside is measurable and objective.

Penalties should be for offences in the penalty box is a good simplistic starter. Nice and simple.
This whole 10% scoring chance and not fair to award a penalty as heading away from goal nonsense is a non starter. Minimize the amount of human interpretation as much possible.

[SebC]

The simplicity is why two very similar plays can have wildly different outcomes. It's also possible to increase complexity without increasing subjectivity.

E.g. foul in the 6 yard box = PK, outside the 6 yard box = PK but from 18 yards is more complex but no less objective

I would sacrifice simplicity, and heck I would even sacrifice some degree of objectivity, for a system that is more just in the sense of proportionality.

[SebC]

Oh, and with respect to offsides, there's already no offsides from throw-ins, corners, and goal kicks. If getting rid of the rule entirely would be so bad, why are there not already strikers successfully cherry picking behind the defensive lines on goal kicks?

[GirlySports]

I can't remember the last time I saw an indirect free kick in the box that was for something other than a backpass.

I think it for inadvertent fouls that don't seem to exist anymore.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by SebC

Oh, and with respect to offsides, there's already no offsides from throw-ins, corners, and goal kicks. If getting rid of the rule entirely would be so bad, why are there not already strikers successfully cherry picking behind the defensive lines on goal kicks?

They do happen, but an 80 yard bang to the feet is both rare; in catching the defenders and in precision.

I'll add to Greg's note, that I ####ing hate the no offside rule in 7's. As a keeper, the other team will put a screen on me. It's annoying enough in the smaller boarded nets.

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by SebC

I would sacrifice simplicity, and heck I would even sacrifice some degree of objectivity, for a system that is more just in the sense of proportionality.

So basically less simple and more subjective? That's just asking for more confusion and chaos.

I'm at the opposite end. Simplify it as much as possible at the expense of proportionality in the interest of consistency.
Eg The disallowed goal rule where if it touches an attackers arm that leads to the goal. No room for subjectivity in interpreting whether accidental or not.

It's the subjectivity that results in loss of consistency.

[icarus]

Originally Posted by browna

And no mention of this in any Canadian press? With all the sensitivity around everything in this country if someone feels slighted by someone else, and scolding press in Canada gives Herdman and his choice of words as some trash talk to motivate his team, vs a player from the team is personally harassed before the game, singled out by racist fans all game, with chants and banners, and it’s swept away as a non incident?

Wileman mentioned something about the booing of Borjan, though he mentioned was to do with playing too conservative, which didn’t make sense when it was 3-1 down, but that explains it.

Disgusting.

Borjan front and center saluting the fans at the end along with a distraught looking Herdman, seemed also out of place and odd at the time but given the above, also makes some sense to show that unity.

There was definitely a roar and whistles from the Croatian supporters' section every time he touched the ball. The Croatian fans I saw at the stadium were all fine though.

I hoped there would be no disgusting behaviour but I guess there was and I'm glad the Daily Mail picked it up at least.

[agulati]

Feels weird not to have any games this early.

[The Big Chill]

The Senegal fans are loud. The atmosphere sounds really good.

[SuperMatt18]

Trying to play an offside trap on a corner when you have a guy on the inside post is a bold move.

Edit: Well that took a quick turn

[The Big Chill]

Ecuador tie it up and as it stands are through to the next round. This should be a really fun finish. Senegal have played great, but they left a man completely open on that corner.

[Swift]

Terrible defending by Senegal at the corner. They've got 20+ mins to score or they're out.

[Swift]

Well there you go...