Darryl Sutter needs to deploy better lines - STAT

[FlamesAddiction]

It did seem like he was quick to switch up the lines at the first sign of trouble, but won't for whatever reason, move them back now that there is real trouble. Move them back to what they were when the team had it's best 7 game start in franchise history. Don't keep them the same after having a 7 game losing streak. It just doesn't make sense.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What Sutter sees from that is

Huberdeau- Lindholm- Ritchie
Dube - Kadri - Lewis
Mangiapane - Backlund - Lucic
Coleman - Rooney - McLain

I cracked these jokes about sutter before the season started but now it's actually reality

[AustinL_NHL]

Anyone advocating for firing Sutter has lost their absolute marbles and want to hurt the team more than help it

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Maybe he just needs to be let go? I mean come on, everyone's thinking it. They've got another month or so before the season is a write off.

Who is this "everyone" you speak of?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Anyone advocating for firing Sutter has lost their absolute marbles and want to hurt the team more than help it

No but a message needs to be sent to Sutter to stop sabotaging the team with these disturbing lines.

Waiving one of his pets would be a start.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Anyone advocating for firing Sutter has lost their absolute marbles and want to hurt the team more than help it

Fully agree. This team has sub. 900 goaltending and new guys who aren't clicking. The only thing keeping them getting points is the system he employs while they figure it out.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Fully agree. This team has sub. 900 goaltending and new guys who aren't clicking. The only thing keeping them getting points is the system he employs while they figure it out.

100%.

Sutter's systems have the Flames in position to win most of these games. And his system is the only reason they have won as much as they have despite brutal finishing and league-worst goaltending.

Absolutely hilarious to me that people are trying to criticize Sutter.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

to clarify unless it wasn't already I'm not advocating for firing Darryl

I'm saying he needs to fix/adjust his line deployment and bench management from what it has been over the last month

that is it . this is not a fire Sutter thread

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

to clarify unless it wasn't already I'm not advocating for firing Darryl

I'm saying he needs to fix/adjust his line deployment and bench management from what it has been over the last month

that is it . this is not a fire Sutter thread

Oh my response was to OutOfTheCube, not you. Apologies.

I see your point on the lines, but on one hand, we got a group of Flames fans yelling to mix up the lines when they're not working, and then when Sutter does, it's still the same complaints.

Obviously having Lewis or Lucic playing in the top 9 is the opposite of what you want, but to me that's Sutter basically telling Tre "better get moving on getting another forward".

Plus, he did put Huby back with Lindy-Toffoli in the 3rd so who knows whats next, but at least we can say that our coach sees the same issues and is at least trying to find some sort of combos that work.

There's just not much to work with right now in terms of different combos, and while perhaps Sutter might be the reason our AHL guys haven't gotten a look yet, that's impossible to know. Although if that were the case, then I'd hope he'd be more open to it obviously

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

How is the season a write off when they are in a playoff spot

I think it was clear coming into this season that it would be a grind after losing the type of elite skill that they lost. This team is going to take a while to find it's stride and hopefully when it does, it really starts to chug along.

I'd still take this group in the playoffs over last year's group and it certainly is not a write off season at this point.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Sutter isn’t going anywhere especially after the extension. He may be stubborn but you know he gets it. Huby is back on the top line and it was just a matter of time. He was playing the lines as is because they were finally showing some chemistry. This team lacks offensive weapons and he’s been trying to find that spark. Unfortunately they just aren’t very good.

This team has offensive weapons. Guys are just shooting off target and skating in straight lines up and down the ice. Chemistry might take a bit of time until things start to click. I'm not too worried for this year. Just worried if this chemistry don't work for the next few years. But nothing to worry about, really. The only thing I don't like is Markstrom's contract.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I think it was clear coming into this season that it would be a grind after losing the type of elite skill that they lost. This team is going to take a while to find it's stride and hopefully when it does, it really starts to chug along.

I'd still take this group in the playoffs over last year's group and it certainly is not a write off season at this point.

No, not really, the overwhelming message was that they wouldn't skip a beat, and maybe even be better than last season as a clear cut contender.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CSharp

This team has offensive weapons. Guys are just shooting off target and skating in straight lines up and down the ice. Chemistry might take a bit of time until things start to click. I'm not too worried for this year. Just worried if this chemistry don't work for the next few years. But nothing to worry about, really. The only thing I don't like is Markstrom's contract.

I feel like it's been the same story (with an exceptional year here and there) since the early 1990s. Hardworking team, who's only option is to shoot the puck directly into a goalies chest. How many different coaches and rosters have we had, where we see the same results.

[Big Erned Nevergivn]

The problem, as I see it, is clearly overreaction from the CP faithful. I will now disappear quietly back into my hole.

[GranteedEV]

Treliving can waive Rooney, Mackey, Markstrom and call up Phillips and Wolf. Maybe waive Lewis too sadly since Lucic has an NMC

But he won't.

EDIT: Heck, call up Jeremie Poirier and see if he can find some chemistry with Tanev

[blender]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

No, not really, the overwhelming message was that they wouldn't skip a beat, and maybe even be better than last season as a clear cut contender.

Whose message?
I never heard that from the team or management. The stated goal was to make the playoffs, nothing more. Media loved the summer moves and fans jumped on the bandwagon, but we should know better.
Subtracting Gaudreau and Tkachuk from the roster is massive. Obviously we are hoping Huberdeau finds his form and I assume he will, but Johnny and Matthew are both top-tier offensive players in the world (as much as we seem to want to rip them). You can't tell me any professional coach, manager or evaluator wouldn't consider that at big loss.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

No, not really, the overwhelming message was that they wouldn't skip a beat, and maybe even be better than last season as a clear cut contender.

I heard Sutter specifically mention the goal is trying to get to the playoffs and that it would take at least 30-35 games for the chemistry to start clicking.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

No, not really, the overwhelming message was that they wouldn't skip a beat, and maybe even be better than last season as a clear cut contender.

Interesting, considering I (and pretty sure 98% of Flames fans) were completely unaware of that expectation and expected a team with 3 new core players to take some time building strategy.

Probably because that was never the case, but oh well

[iggyloob12]

"Everyone" isn't thinking that firing Sutter would help this team. He finally reintroduced structure and accountability to the team, and can only work with what he's got—which is very much a work in progress after all the off-season changes.

[Ferarri]

I have become more inclined to think that this team just isn’t very good. And to be honest that is expected given the two that left. People who are calling for a coaching change don’t realize that results would be the same if not worse. Does a Geoff Ward or Gulutzan really sound like a better option at this point? Sutter just won the Jack Adams and has two Stanley cups. He knows what he’s doing. There just isn’t enough elite talent to push us forward.