Former Flames player performance thread - 2022/23 season

[FanIn80]

"Tkachuk is nothing without Gaudreau."

-lots of people (but not everyone) on CP, Jul-Oct 2022

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

"Tkachuk is nothing without Gaudreau."

-lots of people (but not everyone) on CP, Jul-Oct 2022

He's definitely doing better than I expected.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by FBI

Also it’s more about the posters that would die on a hill that Bennett sucks and he’ll always be a useless hockey player which is clearly not the case.

Honestly, to me it's just funny that New Era's entire assertion for the last 1.5 years was essentially this, paraphrased of course, but NOT exaggerated:

"The Flames at no point had a TRULY ELITE talent like Jonathan Huberdeau to carry Sam Bennett, and there's absolutely NO WAY he could have produced about as well centering Gaudreau or Tkachuk, so the Flames were justified playing him on the wing with 4th line plugs every year, and he'll never succeed without Huberdeau"

This was simultaneously an attack on Gaudreau, Tkachuk, and Bennett while being a massive overrating of Huberdeau as the reincarnation of Jaromir Jagr in his prime as a line-carrier with a Midas touch.

I think Huberdeau will bounce back, and maybe Tkachuk's scoring will cool off in particular, but the overall assertion has always been absurd.

The reality is, and always has been:

1) Quality of Teammate matters
2) Icetime matters
2) The gap between top-end players outside of the McDavid/Makar/MacKinnon tier is negligible, and much of so-called production is context-driven

[Strange Brew]

Even Jarnkrok off to a good start. Oh well, marathon not a sprint.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

core out (gaudreau tkachuk): 15g 28a 43pt
core in (huberdeau weegar kadri): 10g 17a 27pt

not great so far

[FlamesAddiction]

I have no issue admitting that Bennett became a really good player. I am still of the belief that it wasn't going to happen on the Flames. He had opportunities and could never prove that he was better than Backlund or Monahan at the time, and it would have been unfair to demote one of them just to placate Bennett. They tried to see if they could play him up on the wing, but that didn't work. Then Bennett gave up and demanded a trade and really mailed it in after that. I don't get why some people can still be enamored with player who gave up on the team and didn't want to playout his contract. At least Tkachuk was willing to playout his contract and never gave up giving a damn.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

core out (gaudreau tkachuk): 15g 28a 43pt
core in (huberdeau weegar kadri): 10g 17a 27pt

not great so far

First 17 games last season 54 goals for. First 17 games this season 53 goals for.

[dino7c]

Schedule, style of play...simply comparing points after 17 games (more for the other teams) doesn't tell the tale.

Huberdeau and Kadri can get 50 points and if the Flames go further in the playoffs it's a win.

The style the Panthers play will make it easier to put up individual stats...good luck winning in the playoffs playing like that (if they make it)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by chedder

First 17 games last season 54 goals for. First 17 games this season 53 goals for.

If the Flames were getting .920 goaltending like last season we would be laughing with a stellar record despite the hardest schedule

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

that's true the scoring is more spread out but roughly the same . only difference is the save percentage

in another thread it was pointed out that the underlying numbers are even similar too

[dino7c]

I predict a big bump in the Flames numbers too when they aren't playing a top team nearly every game like they have so far

Flames hardest strength of schedule
Panthers 29th

Not sure about Montreal and Columbus but they are pretty irrelevant since neither are making the playoffs...wins are actually bad for them if we are being honest

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

"Tkachuk is nothing without Gaudreau."

-lots of people (but not everyone) on CP, Jul-Oct 2022

I think most people thought he'd be more of the 80-85 PPG player, and not the 100 point player.

Don't think anybody saw him being on pace for 120 points this season.

[TheIronMaiden]

Good guy Sean Monahan with 10 points in 18 games. 4 points in his last 5.

[Kidder]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Good guy Sean Monahan with 10 points in 18 games. 4 points in his last 5.

Looking forward to his return next week. And a proper tribute and ovation from the fans.

Hopefully double what Tkachuk gets two days prior.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Schedule, style of play...simply comparing points after 17 games (more for the other teams) doesn't tell the tale.

Huberdeau and Kadri can get 50 points and if the Flames go further in the playoffs it's a win.

The style the Panthers play will make it easier to put up individual stats...good luck winning in the playoffs playing like that (if they make it)

If the Flames players were outscoring the Johhny and Tkachuk gang, you can bet CP would say it matters.

Let's face it, Johhny and Tkachuk are elite offensive players. Moving on did not affect their offense.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Kidder

Looking forward to his return next week. And a proper tribute and ovation from the fans.

Hopefully double what Tkachuk gets two days prior.

Honestly it would be best if Tkachuk gets no reaction.

Don't boo him...he would love that.

Don't cheer him...he doesn't deserve that.

Just treat him like a nothing.

Monahan deserves a big ovation though IMO.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FBI

Bennett 3 assists, on pace for 62 pts.
Can’t create on his own, riding coattails of Huberdeau, derpy derp derp

He had a crazy good start to the season last year, too, and I am pretty sure that he was at one point tracking for 70+ pts. We will see how this plays itself out.

Derpity derp derp-a-derp.

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[HitterD]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If the Flames players were outscoring the Johhny and Tkachuk gang, you can bet CP would say it matters.

Let's face it, Johhny and Tkachuk are elite offensive players. Moving on did not affect their offense.

Lol “you can bet CP would say it matters” as though CP is a hive-mind haha. There’s thousands of people on this site, you can bet that literally anything and everything will be said on here. This isn’t much of an argument.

You are correct though, Gaudreau and Tkachuk are elite players and will get their points. Flames players will as well.it doesn’t matter a hill of beans at this point, IMO, who outscores whom. The main thing for me is for the Flames to be rolling come playoff time, and if that happens I think this roster is better than last years for playoff hockey. Individual stats won’t matter anyway

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If the Flames players were outscoring the Johhny and Tkachuk gang, you can bet CP would say it matters.



Let's face it, Johhny and Tkachuk are elite offensive players. Moving on did not affect their offense.

You're right. But I think the problem for both of them in Calgary was the mix. For whatever reason they couldn't get it to work consistently enough in the playoffs, and I think it was probably better for everyone for them to move on. (Well, better for everyone than maybe Gaudreau, since he somehow ended up in CBJ.)

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[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

core out (gaudreau tkachuk): 15g 28a 43pt
core in (huberdeau weegar kadri): 10g 17a 27pt

not great so far

True, but even with the team struggling..Flames are still ahead of Panthers, Canadiens, Blue Jackets in the standings. Those individual points matter less, than wins.