Brad Treliving needs to go

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Not from what I've seen so far, on paper yes, but until JH of MW start playing like we thought they would I'd say the trade is more in Florida's favour.

Let's see how the teams do at the end of the season not individual stats in a short sample size

Calgary and Florida have very similar records
Flames have had the hardest strength of schedule
Florida one of the easiest
Calgary also lost Gaudreau and was already worse than Florida last season


Not sure how anyone can say Florida Won right now considering they weren't forced to make a move and went from presidents trophy winners to so far not nearly that

Panthers have really struggled against the few half decent teams they have played this season

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Let's see how the teams do at the end of the season not individual stats in a short sample size

Calgary and Florida have very similar records
Flames have had the hardest strength of schedule
Florida one of the easiest
Calgary also lost Gaudreau and was already worse than Florida last season


Not sure how anyone can say Florida Won right now considering they weren't forced to make a move and went from presidents trophy winners to so far not nearly that

Panthers have really struggled against the few half decent teams they have played this season

Point is I think we all expected more than 8 and 4 points out of JH and MW by this point of the season, even if JH was a point a game we would probably be a couple games above .500.
MT has 22 points in 15 games, I think he has been everything Florida would thought he would be.

[Saqe]

This was always going to be a transitional year for the Panthers to get something like 11 million dead cap off the books. Obviously trying to stay competitive but I don't see the point of comparing the situation between the two teams at this moment.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saqe

This was always going to be a transitional year for the Panthers to get something like 11 million dead cap off the books. Obviously trying to stay competitive but I don't see the point of comparing the situation between the two teams at this moment.

It's as useful as comparing the players combined point totals in November

Panthers could have ran back the presidents trophy winning team...they made a choice not to

Time will tell

4 points aside I wouldn't like to see the Flames D without Weegar

Anyway this thread is about Brad, not sure how anyone can say he lost this deal considering the situation he was in

[Finger Cookin]

Only checking this glue factory of a thread to ensure that I already have the #### stain who bumped it blocked. Mmm, satisfying.

Criticize Brad all you like, call for his head whatever. But make a new thread. They're free!

[Badgers Nose]

The last time I was this not worried about the Flames having a losing skid, they won the cup.

I have zero fear. They will figure this out.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It's as useful as comparing the players combined point totals in November

Panthers could have ran back the presidents trophy winning team...they made a choice not to

Time will tell

4 points aside I wouldn't like to see the Flames D without Weegar

Anyway this thread is about Brad, not sure how anyone can say he lost this deal considering the situation he was in

It’s more useful than analyzing the trade this summer as a slam dunk win for the flames based on nothing, so far it hasn’t turned out that way. Will things change? I sure hope so. But a 70 point JH will be a major disappointment

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

The last time I was this not worried about the Flames having a losing skid, they won the cup.

I have zero fear. They will figure this out.

Great, two completely unrelated things that have zero influence on each other

[Two Fivenagame]

Biggest fear is this team will be a bubble playoff team all year and Tre will trade draft picks+ for Bo Horvat and depth D at the trade deadline. First round matchup with Colorado and Flames out in 6.

[Backstop]

Looking around the league there are definitely some teams that look well managed, making some really smart moves with the roster. An equally reasonable statement would be that there are more teams making bizarre moves and/or displaying terrible management and culture.

I don't believe the flames fall into the latter category, so unless we are somehow almost guaranteed a clear upgrade, it's a case of better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

[chedder]

The problem the team has is that they are 100% committed to win now. They have likely a 3-4 year window. If this coach, gm and team can't figure it out soon, this year could be a write off where everyone just gets a year older. The cupboards are pretty bare so after this things could get pretty bleak.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

It’s more useful than analyzing the trade this summer as a slam dunk win for the flames based on nothing, so far it hasn’t turned out that way. Will things change? I sure hope so. But a 70 point JH will be a major disappointment

I will take 70 points or less if the Flames do better in the playoffs

Individual stats haven't got us anywhere in the past

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by chedder

The problem the team has is that they are 100% committed to win now. They have likely a 3-4 year window. If this coach, gm and team can't figure it out soon, this year could be a write off where everyone just gets a year older. The cupboards are pretty bare so after this things could get pretty bleak.

One thing they do have in their favour is some pretty big names on term contracts that may or may not turn into huge tradebait as required.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I will take 70 points or less if the Flames do better in the playoffs

Individual stats haven't got us anywhere in the past

Flames most successful seasons came when Iginla had 73 and 67 points.

[joejoe3]

Why can’t this thread just die already

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

The last time I was this not worried about the Flames having a losing skid, they won the cup.

I have zero fear. They will figure this out.

Which losing skid did we have during the 1988-89 season?

Someone else said the same thing awhile ago in a different thread, but I'm pretty sure you're thinking of the 1985-86 season, when we lost 11 games in a row between Dec and Jan, but still managed to go to the finals (thanks you, birthday boy Steve Smith (and future Flames Captain). We lost in those finals, but won the Cup three years later in the 1988-89 season.

The year we won the Cup, we did not have a losing streak of any significance and in fact won 54 games that season, losing only 17 times (9 ties). We didn't have a winless streak of any significance, either.

[BoLevi]

Mediocre team and a serious lack of accountability up and down the lineup.

The gm turned from a pumpkin in the summer into Cinderella and is now back to being a pumpkin.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Mediocre team and a serious lack of accountability up and down the lineup.

The gm turned from a pumpkin in the summer into Cinderella and is now back to being a pumpkin.

the trade was great but maybe he needed more of a wait and see approach on the monster extensions

but even I didn't foresee the group performing quite ..this way so how much can you rip on the guy

phillips should've been up sooner and playing .. my only criticism of his in-season work

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Mediocre team and a serious lack of accountability up and down the lineup.

The gm turned from a pumpkin in the summer into Cinderella and is now back to being a pumpkin.

Tre worked his ass off this summer to assemble what on paper should be a very strong lineup. The team's lackluster play so far this season has nothing to do with the GM and is 100% on the players in my opinion. It's up to the guys on the ice to put in the effort required to adapt to Sutter's system and turn things around.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Tre worked his ass off this summer to assemble what on paper should be a very strong lineup. The team's lackluster play so far this season has nothing to do with the GM and is 100% on the players in my opinion. It's up to the guys on the ice to put in the effort required to adapt to Sutter's system and turn things around.

GMs get judged based on the product on the ice - as it should be.