[News] Brad Treliving Interview w/ Eric Francis on Hockey Central 960

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Cycling76er

Or if he does play, he'll be out of condition and will struggle to get up to speed OR mess with some chemistry that's (hopefully) been established at some point this season.

I am hoping that whatever the issue is that's keeping him away from the team is one that has some closure and resolution for him.

Me too man. The unknown is the worst. We’re selfish hockey loving fans. I miss his talent on defence and speed. But I also hope he’s ok.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Whatever it is, just from the tone, you know it must be pretty serious.

My gut tells me that if the Flames thought he was not going to play this season, they would have at least said that by now. The fact they have not, makes me think that they are hopeful for a return at some point.

Ya I hope so also. That’s a good way to look at it. But whatever it is, it isn’t small. Hope for the best for him.

[cKy]

Aside from the reasons why Oliver isn't playing, I was curious how this works from a business perspective. We regular non-millionaires have an allowed sick bank and whatnot to use. Does he get paid? Does the company pay him? Is there some sort of insurance? Does the PA pay a percentage?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by cKy

Aside from the reasons why Oliver isn't playing, I was curious how this works from a business perspective. We regular non-millionaires have an allowed sick bank and whatnot to use. Does he get paid? Does the company pay him? Is there some sort of insurance? Does the PA pay a percentage?

I assume he's just getting paid as per usual.

Maybe some insurance is covering his wages? He is technically on IR so maybe theres a 'Disability Clause' or something?

But I imagine he's not missing any paycheques. The NHL has some pretty sweet benefits.

[danny darko]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Who knows what's going on in his life, but I am also not ruling out the Dustin Byfuglien scenario about whether he wants to play or not and stepping away from the game to get perspective. Maybe pro hockey life isn't a life plan he wants. That can happen too.

I feel like if hockey isn't a life plan he wants, he wouldn't have just signed a 2 year extension in August. Feels to me like it's something family related, but who knows...

[saillias]

The interview touched on every hot topic recently.

Francis asked about the report that Brad is looking for a scoring forward - you can probably guess how he responded.

The losing streak and why they weren't winning, how they get out of it

Upcoming GM meetings

The play of several individuals - Zadorov and Huberdeau

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by getbak

His not being on LTIR doesn't really tell us anything.

Remember, LTIR is a cap-relief mechanism that teams only use when they need to exceed the cap for replacement players. The Flames haven't needed to exceed the cap yet, so that's why he's not on LTIR. He is currently on regular IR, which is basically the same except it doesn't have cap-relief.

Yet I’ve seen “flames can’t call up x and had to call up y because they don’t have the cap space” posted numerous times on this site.

So has the cap situation prevented the flames from calling up who they want or not?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Yet I’ve seen “flames can’t call up x and had to call up y because they don’t have the cap space” posted numerous times on this site.



So has the cap situation prevented the flames from calling up who they want or not?

If I would hazard a guess I would think that there is some advantage to delaying LTIR overages for as long as possible in an effort to bank capspace. I suspect that the Flames are currently fine with the options that they can afford for now. That is, a more expensive callup like Meloche probably does not make it worth their while for the size of the gap in play between him and others like Gilbert and DeSimone.

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[cam_wmh]

Any resident Capologists able to explain if the Flames can retro-actively move Stone/Kylington to LTIR, to capture cap-space such as at the TDL for a big fish? vs throwing guesses around



EDIT: in principal it seems to be possible, as the Leafs recently exercised; https://www.si.com/nhl/maple-leafs/n...njured-reserve

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Yet I’ve seen “flames can’t call up x and had to call up y because they don’t have the cap space” posted numerous times on this site.

So has the cap situation prevented the flames from calling up who they want or not?

It's because of the weird way LTIR cap space is calculated. Basically, once you start using LTIR, they take the amount of cap space you have at that time and subtract that from the injured player's cap hit to determine how much you can exceed the cap by during his injury.

So, if you have $1 million in cap space and put an injured player with a cap hit of $2.5 million on LTIR, you can only exceed the cap by $1.5 million while he's on LTIR; but if you had $100,000 in cap space in that situation, you could exceed the cap by $2.4 million.


When they needed to recall 2 d-men, Gilbert and DeSimon have a combined cap hit of $1.525 million and the Flames had just enough cap space to still be under the cap with them on the roster. Meloche and either of the other 2 would have a combined cap hit of $1.7125 million, which would have put them over the cap. That would have required them to use LTIR, but they wouldn't have been able to maximize their use of LTIR.


I don't fully understand all the consequences of that, but that's my understanding of why they didn't want to use LTIR to recall Meloche.

[CroFlames]

It sounds like a super serious matter and so I'm concerned for him. That's where my curiosity about what it is stems from. The total information blackout makes it seem really bad.

I know I'm not the only one who was a huge fan of his from his draft, thru the minors and into the NHL.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Any resident Capologists able to explain if the Flames can retro-actively move Stone/Kylington to LTIR, to capture cap-space such as at the TDL for a big fish? vs throwing guesses around

LTIR doesn't accumulate over time. You can only use the replacement cap space while the player is injured and you can only use it to exceed the cap at the time.

[dammage79]

I think it's best if everyone just writes Shilly off for the year.

I don't want to know what's going on, just hope for nothing but the best for him and his family.


Edit: think about it, think about how long it would take him to get uo to speed. Who knows if he even has been skating. He's easily two months away from being a month away from being ready. And then tack on another month because Sutter.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by getbak

His not being on LTIR doesn't really tell us anything.

Remember, LTIR is a cap-relief mechanism that teams only use when they need to exceed the cap for replacement players. The Flames haven't needed to exceed the cap yet, so that's why he's not on LTIR. He is currently on regular IR, which is basically the same except it doesn't have cap-relief.

Question: if you put a player on LTIR, can you remove them from LTIR before they return?

They don't want him on now, because they want to continue to bank space. Okay, but if they needed/wanted to bring someone in short-term, could they put him on LTIR for a while and then remove him again?

(LTIR question, not a Kylington question - let's just assume for this discussion that he could be put on LTIR)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Any resident Capologists able to explain if the Flames can retro-actively move Stone/Kylington to LTIR, to capture cap-space such as at the TDL for a big fish? vs throwing guesses around



EDIT: in principal it seems to be possible, as the Leafs recently exercised; https://www.si.com/nhl/maple-leafs/n...njured-reserve

You don't capture any cap space while over the cap, using LTIR. You get relief, but you don't bank any space.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I suspect it is something personal within the family that is urgent enough that it takes precedence over hockey on the other side of the world

a lot of things would qualify . if your family is close like some are then you drop everything for immediate family issues . whether it's a sibling in trouble or parent that is ill .. if you take off to north America then it's very difficult to be able to provide support

[Jay Random]

I know Kylington's mother is Eritrean, and right now there's a nasty war in Ethiopia that Eritrea is involved in. Perhaps he has close relatives in trouble and the family is pulling together to help. That would take anybody's mind off work.

Just thinking aloud.

[GranteedEV]

No idea what's the case with Kylington, but another possibility is that with his history of concussions (he's had at least three or four since turning pro, I think) that he experienced complications. Pure speculation though



Either way, I'm pulling for this guy. He's pure character off the ice and has a valuable skillset on the kce.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

No idea what's the case with Kylington, but another possibility is that with his history of concussions (he's had at least three or four since turning pro, I think) that he experienced complications. Pure speculation though



Either way, I'm pulling for this guy. He's pure character off the ice and has a valuable skillset on the kce.

This seems very unlikely, as a concussion is clearly an injury, and would have to be reported for him to not be here

[GullFoss]

I believe his agent has said it's family related.

Probably a partner, sibling or parent going through a serious illness. What's the point of having money if you can't use it to make the decision to spend time with those closest to you. The less time you have left with someone, the more precious that time with them becomes.

IMO, it isn't rocket science to realize why he's absent or when he'll be back.