Teen stabs her newborn over 100 times, throws her in garbage...

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by realm

There is ABSOLUTLEY no defense for what she did. If she was raped, have an abortion or give the kid up! No defense for that...NONE! I guarantee you that you can't tell me something that would change my mind.

I'm not trying to defend her or change your mind about that. What she's done cannot be defended. I'm merely trying to point out that attitudes like these:

Originally Posted by fotze

Rotten whore.

Originally Posted by habernac

Just shoot the bitch in the kneecaps and make her bleed to death.

Originally Posted by Ice

Stab her 1000 times and throw HER in the trash. Disgusting!

Originally Posted by fotze

No, I say give her a series of diseases, but keep her alive at all costs. Start with anal cancer

Originally Posted by Inferno

You dont want kids yet then close your legs.

Originally Posted by Snakeeye

this *female dog* deserves to be tortured to death , no matter what the circumstances.

Are actually rather counter-productive. Calling her a whore, and saying she should be tortured or shot does not address the root cause of the issue. She's obviously troubled and needs serious help. I'm fairly certain name calling and torture won't give her the help she needs, but then according to you all, it's just better off if she dies. Then we can ignore the fact that things like this happen. Who cares about finding out the whys in order to help prevent these types of tragedies in the future! Let's just shoot the bitch, then no one gets the help they need!

[Skyceman]

Wow - I can't even bring myself to click on that link to read the story.

What a SICK sick woman.....

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Absolutely disgusting and a heinous act. As people said, rape or not there are other methods available. I think someone has to be insane to be able to do that though mentally....but that is absolutely disgusting. We don't need people like that in this world.

It's pointless, but I'll try anyways...

Do you think she didn't know about the other options? Do you think she figured this was the best way to go about dealing with her situation? Seriously? Do you think that a 17 year old American girl has never heard of abortion or adoption?

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by FireFly

It's pointless, but I'll try anyways...

Do you think she didn't know about the other options? Do you think she figured this was the best way to go about dealing with her situation? Seriously? Do you think that a 17 year old American girl has never heard of abortion or adoption?

I'll try responding but it's pointless.........

Did I say that she didn't know about other options???? I said that she should have used one of the other options. She didn't seem insane to me after reading the full story.

Johnson noted that the state's safe harbor law allows mothers to leave infants at any hospital within 72 hours of birth with no legal consequences.
"She could have walked away and the baby would have been adopted by a family that wanted it. Instead she destroys two lives: her own and the baby's," he said.

She is just flat out dumb in my mind. You don't want the baby then give it to the hospital. She was a full time employee and from reading the story this wasn't a case of insanity. She just got nervous about being a teen with a baby and lost it. Did she have a rough life being overweight and a teen? Perhaps. Does that constitute killing a newborn? Hell no. She needs help and needs to be punished. Period. Don't feel sorry for her one bit. She will get what she deserves.

And here's another line........

"Johnson said Beecroft has told police the name of the person she believes is the father."

Believes eh? That doesn't sound like rape to me......

[BlAcKNoVa]

Dear god, wtf is wrong with some people? Every once in awhile you read a story, and you start thinking, it can't get any worse then this, and another story pops up, like this one...ugh, that is just pure evil.

[The Familia]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Wow. Sad story. I'd like to know more details though before making such ridiculous comments as the ones above. Not that there's any justification for what she did, but there could certainly be extenuating circumstances we're unaware of. For example, where's the baby's father? Who is he, how did she get pregnant, and why wasn't he around to help?

I'm not going to judge her except to say that she obviously needed help she didn't get for some reason.

Extenuating circumstances? I'm sick of this garbage, damn sick of it...I'm tired of listening to this as an excuse, because it's not. Not even close. I don't care what "extenuating circumstances' this whore has....mental disease? too bad, how about a public stoning...the father is a ? good kill him too....bewildered that she gave birth? stab her 1000 times...how did she get pregnant? perhaps she got raped? yeah I feel bad for her if she got raped, yet now she has committed a crime almost worse than rape...MURDER...so she got raped, does that give her the right to kill a baby by stabbing it 100 times? HELL NO, that is not an excuse, that is plain crap....needing help that she didn't get, too damn f'n bad, every person in this world has some sort of problem that can be used as an excuse....bull.....there is nothing, absolutly NOTHING that anyone can say that can justify her actions even remotly...Perhaps a public execution might be in order as I want to see this piece of trash burn at the stake.....absolutly disgusting and sickening.

[Inferno]

It's not like what I said wasnt true. It's pretty obvious she did not want the baby. If you dont want to have kids then dont have sex. And I wasnt insisting she was a slut because that very well could have been the only time she had sex.

Sorry, but I'm not going to sit here and feel sorry for her saying she needs help. Like other people who commit murders she needs to pay for her mistake.

[The Familia]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I'm not trying to defend her or change your mind about that. What she's done cannot be defended. I'm merely trying to point out that attitudes like these:

Are actually rather counter-productive. Calling her a whore, and saying she should be tortured or shot does not address the root cause of the issue. She's obviously troubled and needs serious help. I'm fairly certain name calling and torture won't give her the help she needs, but then according to you all, it's just better off if she dies. Then we can ignore the fact that things like this happen. Who cares about finding out the whys in order to help prevent these types of tragedies in the future! Let's just shoot the bitch, then no one gets the help they need!

She doesn't deserve help. Honestly, how can you have even an ounce of sympathy for a creature like this...this isn't even animalistic, this is demonic. To stab a baby over 100 times.....100 TIMES... let me put this scene into perspective for you....take a moment to count to 120 in your mind at a fairly reasonable speed....it takes a little while doesn't it? About a minute or so....ok now in your mind imagine stabbing a potato 120 times at a resonable pace.....takes a little bit longer with arm motions....now transofrm that potato into a living human baby...what kind of thoughts are running through your head as you spend about 2 mins stabbing a baby a 120 times.....you see that took some time, this wasn't no 1 second mental fart where someone might lose consciouness for a second or two and stab someone once, maybe twice.....this creature stabbed a baby 120 times, and I can guarantee she was conscious and thinking about for all 2 excruciating minutes....she knew what she was doing, she knew exactly what she was doing, and what she did was demonic...so tell me how any "help' could have made this monster do anythign different....she is too sick and twisted to deserve help, benefit from help, and to deserve my hard earned money that I pay in tax....to think my blood and sweat gets spent to assist this demonic monster....so are you still willing to "help" this piece of trash? I'm sick and tired of helping the people who can't be helped....face it, its animal nature to have species with abnormal characteristics, and theres also somehting called survival of the fittest and natural selection...unfortunetly this tramp got stuck with a ty lot, she is an abnormality of society and should be done away with....

[FireFly]

You all are absolutely right. She's a whore and an evil bitch who obviously couldn't keep her legs shut. She obviously thought long and hard about what she was going to do and deserves to die for it.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by The Familia

Extenuating circumstances? I'm sick of this garbage, damn sick of it...I'm tired of listening to this as an excuse, because it's not. Not even close. I don't care what "extenuating circumstances' this whore has....mental disease? too bad, how about a public stoning...the father is a ? good kill him too....bewildered that she gave birth? stab her 1000 times...how did she get pregnant? perhaps she got raped? yeah I feel bad for her if she got raped, yet now she has committed a crime almost worse than rape...MURDER...so she got raped, does that give her the right to kill a baby by stabbing it 100 times? HELL NO, that is not an excuse, that is plain crap....needing help that she didn't get, too damn f'n bad, every person in this world has some sort of problem that can be used as an excuse....bull.....there is nothing, absolutly NOTHING that anyone can say that can justify her actions even remotly...Perhaps a public execution might be in order as I want to see this piece of trash burn at the stake.....absolutly disgusting and sickening.

Don't you claim to adhere to some flavor of Christianity or another?

WWJD?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by realm

There is ABSOLUTLEY no defense for what she did. If she was raped, have an abortion or give the kid up! No defense for that...NONE! I guarantee you that you can't tell me something that would change my mind.

Or go take counseling if she needs counseling.

I agree. No excuse.

[CaptainCrunch]

The only thing that I have to say is this.

If she had stabbed the baby once, then I can accept a paniced teen, or a girl who commits a crime of fear or anger. the minute in my mind that she pulled that knife out of that baby and stabbed it a second time it became a concious act, and out right murder. What makes it worse is that she not only killed a baby who can't defend itself and whose only fault was being born. But she killed a baby that she is not only ultimately responsible for, but is its mother.

I don't know if there's anyway that she deserves another chance, especially when it becomes a premeditated act.

Honestly at the very least she should be sterilized so that she can't have another baby. I think in this case there's also no way that she should get out of jail, ever no second chances, nothing.

This is a grotesque crime.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FireFly

You all are absolutely right. She's a whore and an evil bitch who obviously couldn't keep her legs shut. She obviously thought long and hard about what she was going to do and deserves to die for it.

She is a whore, and a bitch, and she couldn't keep her legs shut.

Just put her in jail and throw away the key.

I saw one of my nephews as a newborn right after he was born last week, and man...just sick. I can't even imagine...

[The Familia]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Don't you claim to adhere to some flavor of Christianity or another?

WWJD?

What does that have to do with anything? This is an extreme case here. We are dealing with a monster not a human being. And while yes I am Catholic, that does not mean Im a Pope...theres lines for everything. I bend a lot for a lot of different things. This case has gone so far across the line it is inexcusable and unforgivable. I'm sorry but Catholic or not this is untolorable...

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The only thing that I have to say is this.

If she had stabbed the baby once, then I can accept a paniced teen, or a girl who commits a crime of fear or anger. the minute in my mind that she pulled that knife out of that baby and stabbed it a second time it became a concious act, and out right murder. What makes it worse is that she not only killed a baby who can't defend itself and whose only fault was being born. But she killed a baby that she is not only ultimately responsible for, but is its mother.

Women do it all the time, it's called abortion.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Women do it all the time, it's called abortion.

There is a difference. You don't get arrested for having an abortion as that is legal. How many people do you know that have a $1 million dollar bail set for having an abortion?

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

There is a difference. You don't get arrested for having an abortion as that is legal. How many people do you know that have a $1 million dollar bail set for having an abortion?

Oh. I see. The law is also the moral code. Silly me.

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Oh. I see. The law is also the moral code. Silly me.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with abortions. That's a whole different issue. But stabbing someone 135 times and stuffing them in a garbage bag is not the same as an abortion, im sorry.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with abortions. That's a whole different issue. But stabbing someone 135 times and stuffing them in a garbage bag is not the same as an abortion, im sorry.

Pardon me, perhaps I should clarify then...

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

What makes it worse is that she not only killed a baby who can't defend itself and whose only fault was being born. But she killed a baby that she is not only ultimately responsible for, but is its mother.

This is what I was referring to.

Absolutely it's a grotesque crime. I've never said it wasn't. I'm not saying it's like an abortion either, as during an abortion the life is literally sucked right out of the mother. Much different than stabbing. I can't even comprehend what must be going througha person's mind when they stab someone 135 times... and that's just it. Who could? Did she black out? Was she giggling? Was it done out of fear or hatred for what the baby signified? Did she even look at it as a living thing? I can't even fathom. Yet here we are calling her a slut and a whore and telling her to keep her legs shut. For all we know her plan was to take the baby to the hospital and drop it off, but then it moved and maybe started crying and she did the only thing she could do to make it stop for fear of being found out... Who knows? I don't.

[habernac]

Firefly, have a child, then see if your mind changes. I can't believe anyone would do that to a child of their own.