Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What are we outraged about this time?

Cambodians.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What are we outraged about this time?

something something, computers 22 years ago, something something... oops, sorry wrong thread.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

He's been spotted dancing.

Spoiler!

Meh. At least he dressed up in his own skin colour.

Proof anyone can change, for the better

[Northendzone]

Well, I see that surprisingly, our PM went on a several $100 million dollar spending spree.

https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releas...orative-summit

But those veterans, they always ask for so much…….

I’d would sure be interested to know with respect to these spending sprees - when does the cash start flowing over to the recipients and when do they charge the transfer to our national debt.

I would also be interested in knowing the checks and balances that are in place to make sure the money goes to where it was promised to go.; however, I am assuming that there are many rich warlords funded by announcements like this

[Doctorfever]

Opinion column.

Looks like two political parties are guilty here. Hopefully we see an investigation.

Corruption should not be tolerated.


https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...-remain-secret

”That’s pretty clear. Our election laws are full of prohibitions against what the Chinese did. The Criminal Code of Canada, as well. You can go to a federal prison for many, many years for violating these Canadian laws.”

[Northendzone]

^ it will be interesting to see if this issue gets much play in the media spin this week and how much it is brought up in the house.

[CaptainCrunch]

Opinion column.

Looks like two political parties are guilty here. Hopefully we see an investigation.

Corruption should not be tolerated.


https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...-remain-secret

”That’s pretty clear. Our election laws are full of prohibitions against what the Chinese did. The Criminal Code of Canada, as well. You can go to a federal prison for many, many years for violating these Canadian laws.”

Realistically to me, a story about a foreign, somewhat unfriendly power buying influence with members of parliment and its staff should have automatically triggered an RCMP investigation as it should be a counter intelligence operation, not some political inquiry where parties can vote to shut down the committee.

This shouldn't have any of the usual stink of political interference.

[Erick Estrada]

If their names are known shouldn't there be a criminal investigation?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If their names are known shouldn't there be a criminal investigation?

That's the problem, it sounds like the report did have names, or offices that had been influenced. The Government so far has refused to even talk about it. I think there's been talk of a committee which I disagree with because there always seems to be a lot of obstruction in committee, or heavily redacted or non disclosed files, or votes to shut down investigations.

To me this should be a investigation by the RCMP, this is realistically an espionage case, or at the very least a counter intelligence investigation. We have people in government taking money for campaigns from a foreign power.

Its too important for a committee to bury it.

And yes, thats from an all party side as the report talks about Conservative and Liberal MP's.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Realistically to me, a story about a foreign, somewhat unfriendly power buying influence with members of parliment and its staff should have automatically triggered an RCMP investigation as it should be a counter intelligence operation, not some political inquiry where parties can vote to shut down the committee.

This shouldn't have any of the usual stink of political interference.

I agree with you

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Well, I see that surprisingly, our PM went on a several $100 million dollar spending spree.

https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releas...orative-summit

But those veterans, they always ask for so much…….

I’d would sure be interested to know with respect to these spending sprees - when does the cash start flowing over to the recipients and when do they charge the transfer to our national debt.

I would also be interested in knowing the checks and balances that are in place to make sure the money goes to where it was promised to go.; however, I am assuming that there are many rich warlords funded by announcements like this

Because Harper was so good to the veterans right?

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/1...dian-Veterans/

[Northendzone]

well if harper did not treat them well, then i guess it is ok.........sorry, i guyess i should let the PM skate on this issue then.

so, not sure if harper was soft on china as my work blocks thetyee.ca; however, sure seems like they don't like trudeau

i mean all that has happened with them in the past little while is some chinese scientists working at a winnipeg lab expelled and sent back to china, the chinese building police stations here, china being involved in the election and helping politicians of both the red and blue variety and now an employee of hydro quebec selling stuff to china.

hopefully trudeau bumps into jinping at the G20. However, i guess if harper never took the chinese to task on anything then perhaps trudeau should not bring anything up - you know, because harper

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by aaronck

Because Harper was so good to the veterans right?

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/08/1...dian-Veterans/

There hasn't been a PM that has treated veterans properly. Its not a partisan issue, its a policy of continual governments to do at best the bare minimum in terms of support.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

well if harper did not treat them well, then i guess it is ok.........sorry, i guyess i should let the PM skate on this issue then.

so, not sure if harper was soft on china as my work blocks thetyee.ca; however, sure seems like they don't like trudeau

i mean all that has happened with them in the past little while is some chinese scientists working at a winnipeg lab expelled and sent back to china, the chinese building police stations here, china being involved in the election and helping politicians of both the red and blue variety and now an employee of hydro quebec selling stuff to china.

hopefully trudeau bumps into jinping at the G20. However, i guess if harper never took the chinese to task on anything then perhaps trudeau should not bring anything up - you know, because harper

China doesn't like anyone, they are far more aggressive then even Russia at the height of the KGB in terms of interfering with governments and industrial and commercial espionage.

They applied the lessons of Iron Felix Dzerzinsky well.

[calgarygeologist]

I can't see the details of the article because of the paywall but this shouldn't be surprising at all:

Canada Border Services Agency misses deadline to hand over ArriveCan invoices, declines to identify subcontractors

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...ubcontractors/

[Fuzz]

“In terms of subcontractors, we don’t have that information. We just have information relating to those who have held the contract directly,” she said.


“So CBSA does not know who the subcontractors were that worked on ArriveCan app?” Mr. Barrett replied.


“No. We have the relationship with the primary contractor,” Ms. O’Gorman said.

So...like, ask them?

[Northendzone]

^ what a joke. it was a $50 million dollar project.

of course any questions asked of the liberal party in the hoise will be met with an answer something like "we will not apologize for spending money to save the lives of canadians"

oh well it was only $50 million i guess.

oh yeah, and on trudeaus current spin around the globe he has offered up a little over a billion to fund ukriane, and that stuff in cambodia and there was another $180m for something or other......

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

So...like, ask them?

I still chuckle at the one news story where the press reached out to one of the contractors that said the work that the contract said they would do is something that they don't do and they'd never received payment or issued an invoice.

There's something stinky in this, and yes its unacceptable that the government agency doesn't have the paperwork.

[Fuzz]

It kinda sounds like the government handed this to the CBSA to manage, is that correct? So the CBSA seems like they are the ones in the hot seat here.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It kinda sounds like the government handed this to the CBSA to manage, is that correct? So the CBSA seems like they are the ones in the hot seat here.

I mean, that's how almost all government stuff is done. People talk like ministers are handling the procurement process on their own, but it's virtually always civil servants actually doing it all. That said, the government is ultimately responsible for what happens while its in power, so if there's anything shady going on then they'll rightly get the blame for it.

And it does make sense why CBSA wouldn't have a list of subcontractors on hand; they dealt with a primary contractor to avoid having to find a bunch of subcontractors. At the same time, there's no reason the contractor shouldn't be able to provide who the subcontractors were with little difficulty either.