Flames recall Gilbert. DeSimone assigned to Wranglers

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

What's 58 doing?

If the coach and GM don't seem to have an issue with the reasons he needs to be away from the team right now then the fan base should respect that.

I'm as curious as anybody as to why he's not here - but really it's also none of my business if the team/player say it's none of my business.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I don't believe that is true. He is one of those guys that just desperately needed a change, and there was absolutely nothing I saw from him all last year and through training camp that indicated he was even close to playing on this team. Sometimes, things just don't work put.

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Just my opinion but I don't believe the team had totally given up on him. But with their cap situation, there was no room for his salary so they had to expose him.

[Strange Brew]

Kylington was a nice surprise but I'm not convinced his absence is that huge a deal. Every team in the league deals with injuries/absences on the back end to some degree.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

He's gotta be next.

DeSimone was only ok, but is probably better for him to play in the AHL than only get 7 minutes of ice per night on the Flames.

Not sure what this means for pairings though.

Gilbert Weegar/Tanev? Zadorov with the other one?

Sutter really likes his lefty righty pairings, Gilbert satisfies that.

I think this could be in an effort to go back to the Zadorov / Weegar pairing. They have seemed more suited than Weegar on the left with Tanev.

Gilbert being a lefty allows them to go with Gilbert Tanev as a starting option and go from there.

Clearly Gilbert won't play Tanev minutes, but maybe they rotate the righties through the two lefties?

Man would Kylington make this roster hum right now.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Kylington was a nice surprise but I'm not convinced his absence is that huge a deal. Every team in the league deals with injuries/absences on the back end to some degree.

while fair enough (and I like the player and hope for the best) it does sort of throw a wrench in team plans on a few fronts, different from other injuries- you have his cap sort of sitting there in limbo amongst other things


edit; and when added to the admittedly minor stone injury (in isolation), the Valimaki loss, that was compounded I think too by 58's cap limbo it adds up to the point where when you really lose one of the top 4 (as we did with Tanev ) then its sort of this domino thing where you are now missing a lot of guys, and cap constrained to even call up the next up guy arguably,

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

What's 58 doing?

Yesterday Francis asked Tre that exact same question. Tre said that Kylington is still in Sweeden and that he has been in touch with him on a fairly regular basis. He said that there won't be any updates until such time when they know concretely where things are at. The team wants to give him space, time and privacy to deal with everything he is going through.

Source around the 16:30 mark

[DoubleK]

Thanks for sharing that.

[tony-soprano]

Gilbert to fight Tkachuck

[delayedreflex]

Originally Posted by looooob

while fair enough (and I like the player and hope for the best) it does sort of throw a wrench in team plans on a few fronts, different from other injuries- you have his cap sort of sitting there in limbo amongst other things


edit; and when added to the admittedly minor stone injury (in isolation), the Valimaki loss, that was compounded I think too by 58's cap limbo it adds up to the point where when you really lose one of the top 4 (as we did with Tanev ) then its sort of this domino thing where you are now missing a lot of guys, and cap constrained to even call up the next up guy arguably,

It's a bit unclear to me - if the Flames wanted to call up someone else or trade/sign someone else, would they be able to put Kylington on LTIR so that they could exceed the cap? Or would that depend on the nature of what he is dealing with right now?

It does seem like the case though whether Kylington qualifies for LTIR or not, we aren't able to use his cap space to bank for deadline acquisitions.

[dino7c]

DeSimone outplayed Vali all season in the AHL last year...he could probably make the Yotes too

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by delayedreflex

It's a bit unclear to me - if the Flames wanted to call up someone else or trade/sign someone else, would they be able to put Kylington on LTIR so that they could exceed the cap? Or would that depend on the nature of what he is dealing with right now?

It does seem like the case though whether Kylington qualifies for LTIR or not, we aren't able to use his cap space to bank for deadline acquisitions.

From my understanding they wouldn't be able to place him on LTIR. The reason is that he isn't injured.

He currently counts as a non-roster player, it is the option for non-injured players dealing with something, which had to be approved by the commissioner to prevent teams from abusing the cap. As a result he doesn't count towards the 23/50 roster limit, meanwhile his cap hit still counts.

The Flames could probably move to terminate the contract, because Kylington didn't arrive at camp, and didn't fulfill his contractual responsibilities as a result. That said, it doesn't look like a move this team is contemplating at this time.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

What's 58 doing?

Listen to Brad's interview with Eric Francis from the Fan yesterday, "Hockey Central 960" Nov 14 episode on any podcatcher. Brad directly addresses the question. Kinda surprised it hasn't been posted here actually.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Yesterday Francis asked Tre that exact same question. Tre said that Kylington is still in Sweeden and that he has been in touch with him on a fairly regular basis. He said that there won't be any updates until such time when they know concretely where things are at. The team wants to give him space, time and privacy to deal with everything he is going through.

Source around the 16:30 mark

Originally Posted by saillias

Listen to Brad's interview with Eric Francis from the Fan yesterday, "Hockey Central 960" Nov 14 episode on any podcatcher. Brad directly addresses the question. Kinda surprised it hasn't been posted here actually.

It just was.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

From my understanding they wouldn't be able to place him on LTIR. The reason is that he isn't injured.

He currently counts as a non-roster player, it is the option for non-injured players dealing with something, which had to be approved by the commissioner to prevent teams from abusing the cap. As a result he doesn't count towards the 23/50 roster limit, meanwhile his cap hit still counts.

The Flames could probably move to terminate the contract, because Kylington didn't arrive at camp, and didn't fulfill his contractual responsibilities as a result. That said, it doesn't look like a move this team is contemplating at this time.

Yeah, it came up in the other thread comparing to B-fugly. He was given a leave of absence which turned into a suspension which turned into a mutual termination of contract.

Treliving seems to be giving Kylington a lot of space.

[looooob]

I'm kinda breaking my own rule about not talking about the 58 situation because I really don't feel I have any place speculating or prying


having said that there must still be an option beyond terminating the contract, for a player you have every interest and intent of maintaining in the organization without having to maintain the cap hit (yes again presuming that the reason was vetted and approved at a higher channel- I assume there is a way to do this while maintaining confidentiality broadly but maybe not?)

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by looooob

I'm kinda breaking my own rule about not talking about the 58 situation because I really don't feel I have any place speculating or prying


having said that there must still be an option beyond terminating the contract, for a player you have every interest and intent of maintaining in the organization without having to maintain the cap hit (yes again presuming that the reason was vetted and approved at a higher channel- I assume there is a way to do this while maintaining confidentiality broadly but maybe not?)

I don't think talking about the player not being here, and the implications to the team with his absence is prying or being unclassy to the player.

Digging and demanding to know what's wrong certainly is.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by looooob

I'm kinda breaking my own rule about not talking about the 58 situation because I really don't feel I have any place speculating or prying


having said that there must still be an option beyond terminating the contract, for a player you have every interest and intent of maintaining in the organization without having to maintain the cap hit (yes again presuming that the reason was vetted and approved at a higher channel- I assume there is a way to do this while maintaining confidentiality broadly but maybe not?)

This is where I am as well. It's a little unfair to the Flames being decent to Kylington that they don't get some relief (which they could get by suspending him I think).

[Strange Brew]

How do we know the Flames can't put him on LTIR? Only necessary if they want to exceed the cap.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

How do we know the Flames can't put him on LTIR? Only necessary if they want to exceed the cap.

Yes. Correct.

getbak just posted this in the other thread:

Originally Posted by getbak

His not being on LTIR doesn't really tell us anything.

Remember, LTIR is a cap-relief mechanism that teams only use when they need to exceed the cap for replacement players. The Flames haven't needed to exceed the cap yet, so that's why he's not on LTIR. He is currently on regular IR, which is basically the same except it doesn't have cap-relief.

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[transplant99]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I thought DeSimone was fine for a call-up depth guy. I may have liked him more than Mackey in fact.

I think Sutter probably just wants the extra muscle out there.

Mackey played 8:53 Saturday.

DeSimone played 7:26 last night.

Sutter is looking for someone he trusts. Size/muscle/toughness would be great, but right now he needs a guy that can play minutes and allow the other 5 regular TOI.

Stone going down has really messed with all that.