[PGT] Flames defeat Kings 6-5

[Dx54]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1592543803034202112

[SuperMatt18]

I have never been more wrong about a player than I was about Chris Tanev.

Thought he was too injury prone, and too old to be an impact player again like he was early in his career.

I was 100% wrong.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

He's certainly not at the same level that he was for the team last season, but it is hardly rare for a workhorse starter to take a month or two to round into form. Given the sparse schedule to start the season, this has been exasperated for Markstrom, and possibly prevented him from really getting back into a groove.

If Vladar was putting up much better numbers thus far you could more easily make your claim, but to me it all points to the team needing to calm itself down and fall into their system more than any one player being an issue.

It's not like I'm suggesting he is terrible, or we should trade him, but his play is concerning. His save percent is .889. The last time he had any single month lower than that was November 2018, .887. October 2018 he was at .911 and overall, by the end of November was a shade under .900.

April 2017 and February 2016 he was below .889 as well but those months he played 3 and 2 games.

Sorry, his numbers are right there for some of the worst numbers he has had in his career. Not even close to his Vezina caliber season last year. So, it's a bit concerning? I think he turns it around though but he's definitely off

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I have never been more wrong about a player than I was about Chris Tanev.

Thought he was too injury prone, and too old to be an impact player again like he was early in his career.

I was 100% wrong.

Tanev or Brodie.... lol

I still think we could have beat the Oilers last year if he was healthy for the series. Damn you Stars!

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I have never been more wrong about a player than I was about Chris Tanev.

Thought he was too injury prone, and too old to be an impact player again like he was early in his career.

I was 100% wrong.

I posted it the other day I was concerned about the Flames when he's out of the lineup. Mainly because he's getting older and if he gets hurts we fall apart. What is our record in the last 10 games he missed? Game 1 win against the Oilers?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I have never been more wrong about a player than I was about Chris Tanev.

Thought he was too injury prone, and too old to be an impact player again like he was early in his career.

I was 100% wrong.

I wasn't a fan of the term of the contract not because he was considered a bad player and more that he was an injury prone player that statistically appeared to be on the decline. His advanced stats I believe did not look great in his last season in Vancouver but that was likely due to having to cover for Hughes who's a mess in his own end. His previous career high for games played was 70 games and miraculously he went two seasons (one was abbreviated) injury free for the team. Looks like a case of a change of scenery benefitting the player in his later years.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

I still think we could have beat the Oilers last year if he was healthy for the series. Damn you Stars!

You aren't alone. He can't be on the ice all the time but just having him the lineup (and not playing broken) he just brings a calmness to the rest of the team that settles them down when things start going sideways.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

He's certainly not at the same level that he was for the team last season, but it is hardly rare for a workhorse starter to take a month or two to round into form. Given the sparse schedule to start the season, this has been exasperated for Markstrom, and possibly prevented him from really getting back into a groove.

If Vladar was putting up much better numbers thus far you could more easily make your claim, but to me it all points to the team needing to calm itself down and fall into their system more than any one player being an issue.

It does seem that way, so I thought I would check..

Last year, he played his 12th game 32 days into the season

Last night, he played his 12th games, 32 days into the season

Stats can be funny

[GioforPM]

The Kings seemed pretty similar to Calgary in their game approach and their makeup. Their players all tend to be two way guys and their best D is not an offensive star - just really good all around.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Dx54

https://twitter.com/user/status/1592543803034202112

When you watch the game, you tend not to notice Tanev a whole lot. But when you watch Tanev, you see that his game is simple, defensive excellence. He just makes so many good little plays that disrupt the opposition's attack.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I wasn't a fan of the term of the contract not because he was considered a bad player and more that he was an injury prone player that statistically appeared to be on the decline. His advanced stats I believe did not look great in his last season in Vancouver but that was likely due to having to cover for Hughes who's a mess in his own end. His previous career high for games played was 70 games and miraculously he went two seasons (one was abbreviated) injury free for the team. Looks like a case of a change of scenery benefitting the player in his later years.

Players have good years and bad years, and I think fans are too quick to label the bad ones as a decline. His last year in Van was his 29/30 year - that is prime for a defenseman. I think situation (playing partner, utilization, quality of competition) play a huge role in performance for defensemen, and as you said, he was playing with Hughes, on a really bad team.

I also think fans are quick to label players as injury-prone. Injuries are random, and few players are actually more prone to them than everyone else is. For Tanev, he blocks a lot of shots, and plays along the boards a lot, so he is going to get hit. So his style of play increases the expected number of injuries, no question. But I still thank fans overplay that card.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Kings seemed pretty similar to Calgary in their game approach and their makeup. Their players all tend to be two way guys and their best D is not an offensive star - just really good all around.

You think? I thought they played with a lot less structure, and took way more chances, offensively, pinching on the blueline, and flying the zone defensively, the moment it looked like they might get the puck.

That style is going to generate offence, but man, they are going to give up a LOT of grade A chances.

They are currently 11th in goals per game, but 25th in goals against per game

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You think? I thought they played with a lot less structure, and took way more chances, offensively, pinching on the blueline, and flying the zone defensively, the moment it looked like they might get the puck.

That style is going to generate offence, but man, they are going to give up a LOT of grade A chances.

They are currently 11th in goals per game, but 25th in goals against per game

They play the same game but aren't as good at it yet. A lot of chip and chase, and you are right, they gave up a lot of chances due to some poor passes and decisions. I think that's not their usual game, which is why McLellan called a timeout (not even after a goal - right after one of those exact chances). And their D corps isn't as strong - Edler has hit a wall, it seems and Durzi is pretty awful.

[CSharp]

Every game won or lost by the Flames this season is by one goal. Who would've thought it was going to be a one goal game when they're up by 6-2? Good for the 1st 2 periods and shat the bed in the 3rd. Ah well, next...

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I have never been more wrong about a player than I was about Chris Tanev.

Thought he was too injury prone, and too old to be an impact player again like he was early in his career.

I was 100% wrong.

He's still injury prone. It'll be a miracle if he stays healthy for the rest of the year and actually plays in the playoffs

[sss1]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Every game won or lost by the Flames this season is by one goal. Who would've thought it was going to be a one goal game when they're up by 6-2? Good for the 1st 2 periods and shat the bed in the 3rd. Ah well, next...

I wonder how much time the Flames have played with a lead compared to being behind/tied. Sure feels like they are always playing catchup, but maybe that's just me.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Also, the team will be just fine. We saw what they are truly capable of in the first few games this season, which was ridiculously dominant.

In spite of the results, we have actually seen this all season. As far as I can recall, the Flames have had the lead in EVERY game except one, and they have looked like they could have or should have won every game except for maybe two. That's pretty ridiculous, especially considering the strenght of schedule, and the injuries they have dealt with this early.


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[fire_starter]

Originally Posted by Dx54

https://twitter.com/user/status/1592543803034202112

6-4? Did I miss something?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

He's certainly not at the same level that he was for the team last season, but it is hardly rare for a workhorse starter to take a month or two to round into form. Given the sparse schedule to start the season, this has been exasperated for Markstrom, and possibly prevented him from really getting back into a groove...

It might even be good for him. Braden Holtby and MA Fleury both looked like hot garbage in the regular season the last two times they carried their teams to Stanley Cups.

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[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Entertaining game.

Ruzicka looks like the fit the top line needed. He is playing with more confidence in his physical stature and skill set. He has confidence with his puck carrying and his willingness to go to the net. He made some really good plays to keep the puck on the zone as well. Also unsaid has been his speed. He doesn’t look slow for a 6’4 225 pounder. If he can keep this up we may have a player. I recall at one time he was ranked in the first round but we got him in the fourth. His size and offensive ability are super tantalizing tantamount to another great job by our scouting staff. PS he looks like a bad ass with that red eye of his. Red eye ruzicka… wasn’t the ruzicka of the 90s nickname “rosy”? We have our own it seems.

Lindy looks to be coming online. Perhaps it has to do with his wife expecting a baby? It’s like they are human beings and their personal lives affect their play? He looks a lot better. Him and toffoli look to be synergizing and ruzicka is a good compliment.

Toffoli is a gamer. I knew those missed empty nets killed him but he really is a good shooter. I’m still on my prediction of him scoring 35 plus.

I just don’t think hubby works on that line due to whatever nuance I’m missing. I did see him gel a little better with backs though. Perhaps it’s as simple as rhs vs lhs? I know people mused about that being an adjustment Jeanny L’hockey had to make. That might be the best assessment since he looked to find backs for a couple prime chances that were either deflected or saved.

Jeanny L’hockey is a solid player. He played well and he’s so nice to have on our pp. his poise and passing makes us a threat much more so. I’m happy he scored. The pseudo shot fake really fooled Quick.

Backlund is poised for a bigger offensive year with hubby on his wing. He should be our captain.

Mangiapane getting one was nice. He has been a bit like a yo yo but he played chippy. I think that’s how he needs to play to get himself in the vein of the game. He was throwing hits and bumping guys after the whistle. Last year I noticed how he would challenge bigger player during the play and after the whistle while not taking penalties. For a little guy he has a lot of grit. Dube is similar but he did look better at center.

Dube will be fine. He’s just snake bit and I think he’s a natural center.

Ritchie is really impressing this year. For a league minimum contract he sure is proving a shrewd retention. His hits are thunderous. He plays straight ahead and his goonish tendencies are waning as he gains more confidence. Him and zadorov are really giving this team the thump that brings fans out of their seats and fwds and defenders a reason to look over their shoulders.

Ras and hanifin I’m thinking are happy Tanev is back. Hanifin is talented but he doesn’t look assertive or ahead of the play. It’s hard to forget he’s about to turn 25 with all the miles on his skates. Ras looks like he is still young and makes mistakes when opposing forcheckers turn up the pace on him. They both are good two way dman and still have room for growth.

Tanev. What more can I say about that guy? He is an elite number two dman. I like weegar with him. They interchange well in their own zone. Aside from some bad luck last night that pair was smothering. Tanev should be an all star. He is so good at disrupting high speed and skill nhl level forwards. No doubt that series vs the coilers would have been different had he not been gruesomely injured. He also slots our other d quite well. Kyllimgtons speed and skating coupled with him sure was a nice way to transition to offence but weegar looks more sturdy beside him in the d zone.

Zadorov is such a punishing player. He also could stand to punish himself a bit more for his dzone play at times. He can get panicky and myopic with his clearing attempts. But his physical play is a dimension that outweighs his gaffs. He did start this year better than he started last year and we know how he evolved later as the year progressed. Perhaps he can keep evolving, Pokémon style. He also needs a partner that can compliment him. Gudbranson did by being tough and safe himself. Stone looked to replicate that as well. Desimone doesn’t quite pass the eye test. Mackey still looks unconfident.

Marky is still fighting consistency demons but that save he made to secure the win proves he’s a gamer. Quibbling and mewling about some bad bounces and his positioning is what fans do. That guy is a pro. He will figure it out. And I think a lot of the criticism against him should be levied at the team in front of him being scrambly and not being more secure themselves. They over commit and look out of sorts many times this year. It’s gonna happen with so many moving parts. Thus, it’s not all on marky. It’s a long season and as long as he keeps them competitive I think the flames will use the fodder from these first two months as teaching tools.

What was the stat they shared on the broadcast about six goal games last year? This was our first this year and we had like 12 last year? Man did I pick the wrong year to say they would under achieve offensively. Lol it was a good natured bet and that money went to good causes. But what’s the over under on this teams goal totals? I doubt they score six in as many games but maybe they will do it despite me. So I’m saying the score 6 in less than 13 games. And I say they score less than 220.

And LA is a decent team. They took Edmonton to the brink last year. Something we couldn’t do. Kopitar is a stud. Give any pro that much room and time they will make you pay. That move by kempe fooled the in-zone coverage pretty good too. Plus, the shot was post and in. Pretty small margins to say marky should have had that. Any of you mewling ever play goal? It’s rough at times. Deflections, seeing eye shots, tic tac toes. Some of y’all expect perfection and it shows. Perfection is impossible. Consistency is king.

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