American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Fuzz]

When will the world's greatest democracy finally finish counting votes? It's weird how 90% of it is done in a few hours, then that last 10% drags out for days.

[Lanny_McDonald]

A little more information to explore Yoho's posts from the conservative mediasphere.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1590163971797323778

The big conspiracy is that on election day there was 84K advantage in Republican votes at the polls, and the late votes have yet to be counted which will account for a massive shift. The data collected does show an over-sample of votes to Republican registration, so there is still a potential late surge.

Reached out to a colleague at ASU who does modeling like this and they suggested that the outstanding vote from Maricopa "should" push Lake into the lead by several thousand votes. They then suggested that Pima (as alluded to) will counteract that surge and restore a small lead for Hobbs. They suggested this is going to be tight and the independents who voted late will determine the outcome, and that outcome will be how hard the independents break in one direction. They did point out that the Republican candidates are underperforming in every district around the state, so that may also come into play. They said "the surge" is real and likely to happen, just to what extent is unknown and unpredictable. The level of underperformance was not something anticipated in pre-vote models and makes confidence a little less resolute.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Trump started this nonsense in 2016

It's fraud unless I win lol

Before Trump I thought their system was way too leaky, particularly with the introduction of easy to hack voting machines, and that these machines were often missed handled, like being connected to the internet. Typically counties hired the lowest price bidder for setting up their voting systems. Since then, voter ID requirements have been reduced and mail-in voting has been introduced.

I saw a video where a YouTuber found over a hundred cases of Arizona votes that were linked to addresses that didn't exist. They showed this evidence to an Arizona election official, who told them there was no path to recourse and all the votes would stay valid.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Matata

Before Trump I thought their system was way too leaky, particularly with the introduction of easy to hack voting machines, and that these machines were often missed handled, like being connected to the internet. Typically counties hired the lowest price bidder for setting up their voting systems. Since then, voter ID requirements have been reduced and mail-in voting has been introduced.

I saw a video where a YouTuber found over a hundred cases of Arizona votes that were linked to addresses that didn't exist. They showed this evidence to an Arizona election official, who told them there was no path to recourse and all the votes would stay valid.

This didn’t actually happen in the way you describe. The explanation as to why the votes were allowed to count is not suspicuous and if presented fairly would make sense.

Generally it’s data entry errors or pre-verification data rather than individuals who don’t exist voting.

Remember the vote count is designed by republicans to be slow and generate conflict.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by devo22

there's 332 million people in the US. It always amazes me that, of all the people, they so often manage to end up with cartoonish lunatics like Kari Lake as candidates. Where do they even find these people?! It's mind-boggling.

With the state of politics and the way it works, I think you either need to be an idealist (in which case you have low chances of success) or you need to be a power hungry sociopath. Why else would anyone be motivated to get in? There are lots of paths to a good life for capable people that don't involve all the muck of politics.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Matata

Before Trump I thought their system was way too leaky, particularly with the introduction of easy to hack voting machines, and that these machines were often missed handled, like being connected to the internet. Typically counties hired the lowest price bidder for setting up their voting systems. Since then, voter ID requirements have been reduced and mail-in voting has been introduced.

I saw a video where a YouTuber found over a hundred cases of Arizona votes that were linked to addresses that didn't exist. They showed this evidence to an Arizona election official, who told them there was no path to recourse and all the votes would stay valid.

not sure which machines you are referring to, but Dominion voting machines are not hooked up to the internet. Not only that, there is a paper ballot with every vote physically cast... you input on an digital screen - for accessibility reasons, a physical copy gets generated and the voter takes that to someone that scans it. the voter can see both the physical copy and the machine scanning it.

This case is being litigated as we speak, with Dominion going after a bunch of the key players spreading lies and misinformation.

Like Alex Jones, I fully expect Dominion to win its case and have a huge financial settlement awarded to them. In the courts, with actual facts and not some dude on the interwebz

[TheIronMaiden]

If it was so easy to commit mass voter fraud how come the GoP sucks so much at it?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Matata

Before Trump I thought their system was way too leaky, particularly with the introduction of easy to hack voting machines, and that these machines were often missed handled, like being connected to the internet. Typically counties hired the lowest price bidder for setting up their voting systems. Since then, voter ID requirements have been reduced and mail-in voting has been introduced.

I saw a video where a YouTuber found over a hundred cases of Arizona votes that were linked to addresses that didn't exist. They showed this evidence to an Arizona election official, who told them there was no path to recourse and all the votes would stay valid.

Dont believe everything you see on YouTube...remember Biden was "fraud" but they were good with all the other results on the ballot

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Matata

Before Trump I thought their system was way too leaky, particularly with the introduction of easy to hack voting machines, and that these machines were often missed handled, like being connected to the internet. Typically counties hired the lowest price bidder for setting up their voting systems. Since then, voter ID requirements have been reduced and mail-in voting has been introduced.

I saw a video where a YouTuber found over a hundred cases of Arizona votes that were linked to addresses that didn't exist. They showed this evidence to an Arizona election official, who told them there was no path to recourse and all the votes would stay valid.

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[Scroopy Noopers]

It’s amazing how quickly someone can believe “a YouTuber” over everybody else. But we’re the sheep.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

When will the world's greatest democracy finally finish counting votes? It's weird how 90% of it is done in a few hours, then that last 10% drags out for days.

That many state legislatures do not allow for the processing of mail ballots in any way, nevermind counting them, prior to election day is stupid.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Welcome to Arizona.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Matata

Before Trump I thought their system was way too leaky, particularly with the introduction of easy to hack voting machines, and that these machines were often missed handled, like being connected to the internet. Typically counties hired the lowest price bidder for setting up their voting systems. Since then, voter ID requirements have been reduced and mail-in voting has been introduced.



I saw a video where a YouTuber found over a hundred cases of Arizona votes that were linked to addresses that didn't exist. They showed this evidence to an Arizona election official, who told them there was no path to recourse and all the votes would stay valid.

Literally none of this is true

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Matata

Before Trump I thought their system was way too leaky, particularly with the introduction of easy to hack voting machines, and that these machines were often missed handled, like being connected to the internet. Typically counties hired the lowest price bidder for setting up their voting systems. Since then, voter ID requirements have been reduced and mail-in voting has been introduced.

I saw a video where a YouTuber found over a hundred cases of Arizona votes that were linked to addresses that didn't exist. They showed this evidence to an Arizona election official, who told them there was no path to recourse and all the votes would stay valid.

Give your head a shake, Arizona has returned at least 4 congress seats for the GOP and probably 5 or 6, no one goes to all the effort of fiddling an election and then doesn't bother with the house votes.

All elections have a minute amount of error due to idiot citizen's not understanding the rules, voting for grandma because they are sure she'd want them to a week or so after she died etc, these types of errors tend to break more for the GOP than the dems but can be measured in the tens or twenties and have no effect on the outcome, the defender of democracy is size, quantity if you will, it just isnt possible to fix an election by physically putting individual ballots in boxes, you would need hundreds of thousands of ballots, tens of thousands of conspirators

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

A little more information to explore Yoho's posts from the conservative mediasphere.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1590163971797323778

The big conspiracy is that on election day there was 84K advantage in Republican votes at the polls, and the late votes have yet to be counted which will account for a massive shift. The data collected does show an over-sample of votes to Republican registration, so there is still a potential late surge.

Reached out to a colleague at ASU who does modeling like this and they suggested that the outstanding vote from Maricopa "should" push Lake into the lead by several thousand votes. They then suggested that Pima (as alluded to) will counteract that surge and restore a small lead for Hobbs. They suggested this is going to be tight and the independents who voted late will determine the outcome, and that outcome will be how hard the independents break in one direction. They did point out that the Republican candidates are underperforming in every district around the state, so that may also come into play. They said "the surge" is real and likely to happen, just to what extent is unknown and unpredictable. The level of underperformance was not something anticipated in pre-vote models and makes confidence a little less resolute.

Haha. I can't even imagine living in a developed democracy and voting in person on the defined election day in the past 10yrs. That's a life re-evaluation point, because if you're standing in that line to do "your civic duty" you live in a dump or you're not clever enough to properly value your time to take advantage of the other voting options.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Haha. I can't even imagine living in a developed democracy and voting in person on the defined election day in the past 10yrs. That's a life re-evaluation point, because if you're standing in that line to do "your civic duty" you live in a dump or you're not clever enough to properly value your time to take advantage of the other voting options.

50M Americans are bolded part 1, another 100M are bolded part 2

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Haha. I can't even imagine living in a developed democracy and voting in person on the defined election day in the past 10yrs. That's a life re-evaluation point, because if you're standing in that line to do "your civic duty" you live in a dump or you're not clever enough to properly value your time to take advantage of the other voting options.

I always vote on the day, most of the neighborhood seems to as we all wander down in small groups, the walk takes 5 minutes, takes 1 or 2 minutes to vote, back home again 20 minutes later tops, when its this quick & easy why not?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Haha. I can't even imagine living in a developed democracy and voting in person on the defined election day in the past 10yrs. That's a life re-evaluation point, because if you're standing in that line to do "your civic duty" you live in a dump or you're not clever enough to properly value your time to take advantage of the other voting options.

I like voting on Election Day. The worst line was about an hour for one of the municipal elections. I just think there is a nice excitement and friendliness in the line and polling stations as you chat with people you kind of know

I think elections in person have societal value of seeing democracy work. The other options are important to get equitable access but given the choice I will usually vote in person. Also prevents you from Chu Chu Chuing your self.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by GGG

I like voting on Election Day. The worst line was about an hour for one of the municipal elections. I just think there is a nice excitement and friendliness in the line and polling stations as you chat with people you kind of know

I think elections in person have societal value of seeing democracy work. No the other options are important to get equitable access but given the choice I will usually vote in person. Also prevents you from Chu Chu Chuing your self.

I completely agree. Whether it's the municipal election here in in Vancouver, a provincial or federal election, they are always incredibly peaceful events with often friendly people running the polls. I think the longest line I have ever stood in was maybe 5 minutes.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

That many state legislatures do not allow for the processing of mail ballots in any way, nevermind counting them, prior to election day is stupid.

From what I understand, all of those rules were implemented by Republicans, and it's by design. If mail-in ballots were allowed to be counted prior to election day, then the results would be posted immediately as polls close, meaning many competitive districts would start with a heavy democrat lead and that would look bad for the GOP