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[dino7c]

Can the GOP not see their base dying off and younger generations increasingly moving further left?

Young people don't care about "the good old days" (for White men only)

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Can the GOP not see their base dying off and younger generations increasingly moving further left?

Young people don't care about "the good old days" (for White men only)

Is that accurate though? I'd be curious to actually see data for it.
It seems more like increased young people are voting and more young people are always left leaning but that doesn't mean they are "moving further left"

What happen over time is that many of these young people shift right as they get older.
With an aging population, they may actually see more people shifting right as time goes on.
Maybe (hopefully) not by 2024; but things could be different 10-20 year from now, even if the new 20 year olds at the time are very left leaning.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Is that accurate though? I'd be curious to actually see data for it.
It seems more like increased young people are voting and more young people are always left leaning but that doesn't mean they are "moving further left"

What happen over time is that many of these young people shift right as they get older.
With an aging population, they may actually see more people shifting right as time goes on.
Maybe (hopefully) not by 2024; but things could be different 10-20 year from now, even if the new 20 year olds at the time are very left leaning.

Well I mean shifting away from bat#### crazy racist/sexist/homophobic right

Young people of today are not just going change their minds when it comes to human rights as they get older. My point is the GOP will have to change their views on social issues at some point or its only going to get worse.

People under 30 are overwhelmingly pro choice for example and than is not going to change as they get older.

Also, religion will be less of a factor in the future as it has been in the past...how much of the republican vote is based on religious belief?

Church membership is strongly correlated with age, as 66% of traditionalists -- U.S. adults born before 1946 -- belong to a church, compared with 58% of baby boomers, 50% of those in Generation X and 36% of millennials.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well I mean shifting away from bat#### crazy racist/sexist/homophobic right

Young people of today are not just going change their minds when it comes to human rights as they get older. My point is the GOP will have to change their views on social issues at some point or its only going to get worse.

People under 30 are overwhelmingly pro choice for example and than is not going to change as they get older.

Also, religion will be less of a factor in the future as it has been in the past

The counterbalance though is the idiocracy theory where the deplorables reproduce at a faster rate.

[activeStick]

The Democrats always have the numbers if their supporters go out and vote. With people getting more and more educated, concentrating themselves in urban centers for careers and lifestyle and no longer believing in religion, the writing has been on the wall for the GOP for a long time, not to mention the population becoming more and more non-white. It's why they gerry mander and its why they try to make voting as hard as they can for people. But with a number of Conservative Supreme Court Justices in place now, they may not need to worry.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Is that accurate though? I'd be curious to actually see data for it.
It seems more like increased young people are voting and more young people are always left leaning but that doesn't mean they are "moving further left"

What happen over time is that many of these young people shift right as they get older.
With an aging population, they may actually see more people shifting right as time goes on.
Maybe (hopefully) not by 2024; but things could be different 10-20 year from now, even if the new 20 year olds at the time are very left leaning.

Young people today understand that major action on climate change is needed, or else they simply won't have much of a future, and their kids & grandkids may not have one at all. This realization won't go away as they get older, if anything it will get more pronounced as the onset of climate change gets more severe over time.

And as dino pointed out, America and the world are moving further away from religious doctrine and becoming more progressive when it comes to human rights.

Then there's the increasing reality of automation and AI playing a greater and greater role in economies here and around the world. I suspect that the idea that capitalism is the be-all-end-all of economic systems, will fade over time.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well I mean shifting away from bat#### crazy racist/sexist/homophobic right

Young people of today are not just going change their minds when it comes to human rights as they get older. My point is the GOP will have to change their views on social issues at some point or its only going to get worse.

People under 30 are overwhelmingly pro choice for example and than is not going to change as they get older.

Also, religion will be less of a factor in the future as it has been in the past...how much of the republican vote is based on religious belief?

Church membership is strongly correlated with age, as 66% of traditionalists -- U.S. adults born before 1946 -- belong to a church, compared with 58% of baby boomers, 50% of those in Generation X and 36% of millennials.

Yeah, I hope you're right.
It's surprising the push towards Trump types is even as active as is it in today's society, so I'm always a little pessimistic.

As Active has mentioned, populations moving more urban, more mixed race and other factors all make it shocking that the far right is getting the grip they even are. Maybe it's their last stand.

[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well I mean shifting away from bat#### crazy racist/sexist/homophobic right

Young people of today are not just going change their minds when it comes to human rights as they get older. My point is the GOP will have to change their views on social issues at some point or its only going to get worse.

People under 30 are overwhelmingly pro choice for example and than is not going to change as they get older.

Also, religion will be less of a factor in the future as it has been in the past...how much of the republican vote is based on religious belief?

Church membership is strongly correlated with age, as 66% of traditionalists -- U.S. adults born before 1946 -- belong to a church, compared with 58% of baby boomers, 50% of those in Generation X and 36% of millennials.

Apparently getting married will make you change your political beliefs.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1590782123656458240

[FlamesAddiction]

^^^ Is abortion part of the elementary school curriculum in the U.S.?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Yeah, I hope you're right.
It's surprising the push towards Trump types is even as active as is it in today's society, so I'm always a little pessimistic.

As Active has mentioned, populations moving more urban, more mixed race and other factors all make it shocking that the far right is getting the grip they even are. Maybe it's their last stand.

Online misinformation/disinformation is almost solely responsible for the surge in far right support in recent elections around the world. The rapid spread of misinformation online is one of the most menacing, if not the most menacing, threat to the well-being of humanity, both now and into the future.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Yeah, I hope you're right.
It's surprising the push towards Trump types is even as active as is it in today's society, so I'm always a little pessimistic.

As Active has mentioned, populations moving more urban, more mixed race and other factors all make it shocking that the far right is getting the grip they even are. Maybe it's their last stand.

The Senate and electoral college still give power to the rural areas even if their percentages shrink.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

https://twitter.com/user/status/1590782123656458240

Holy geezus this is cringe.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Can the GOP not see their base dying off and younger generations increasingly moving further left?

Young people don't care about "the good old days" (for White men only)

And I think the theory that people become more conservative as they get older is now bunk too. They just don't have the wealth. The conservatives are offering nothing other than tax cuts and low interest rates. But people are now more progressive and less, FYIGM. This younger generation will accept increase taxes for social services. Seeing the bigger picture.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

And I think the theory that people become more conservative as they get older is now bunk too. They just don't have the wealth. The conservatives are offering nothing other than tax cuts and low interest rates. But people are now more progressive and less, FYIGM. This younger generation will accept increase taxes for social services. Seeing the bigger picture.

I disagree with this.
Not saying people will go way to the crazy right, but most people I know (myself included) have become somewhat more conservative as they get older.

Even the Democrats aren't some super left party; nor is our Canadian government.
A lot of young adults start far left and shift more to the centre/left or centre/right as they grow up.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Just updated Arizona.

Hobbs 963,439
Lake 946,762

Hobbs +16,667, an increase of 3,612

Lake is underperforming in Graham and Greenlee by 2 and 9 points respectively.

Mark Kelly has extended his lead over Blake "Nutbar" Masters by ALMOST 100,000 votes. This should be called as the largest pool of ballots left are in Maricopa (Kelly +8), Pima (Kelly +25), and Coconino (Kelly +29).

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I disagree with this.
Not saying people will go way to the crazy right, but most people I know (myself included) have become somewhat more conservative as they get older.

Even the Democrats aren't some super left party; nor is our Canadian government.
A lot of young adults start far left and shift more to the centre/left or centre/right as they grow up.

I've gone the other way.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

The counterbalance though is the idiocracy theory where the deplorables reproduce at a faster rate.

Plus they don't have access to abortion (and probably soon birth control).

[Muta]

Me too. As I've grown older, I've become more centrist, or - moved away from the right. I think for me, it's because I see the value in helping and supporting other humans, regardless of their income or personal lives. While my income has grown, so has my compassion for people as well as my respect for and interest in, science and education. Unfortunately these seem to be inversely related to certain wings of the political spectrum.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I've gone the other way.

Same.

People that blame taxes for their position in life are losers. Nothing is more fun than voting left and having lots of disposable.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

Same.

People that blame taxes for their position in life are losers. Nothing is more fun than voting left and having lots of disposable.

That and always being a c*nt can be exhausting