Well if his point is that Sutter doesn’t play his stars enough well that is sort of true. Right now part of the problem is Sutter seemingly wants to play Lewis or Ritchie or Lucic over the flames star players.
Well if his point is that Sutter doesn’t play his stars enough well that is sort of true. Right now part of the problem is Sutter seemingly wants to play Lewis or Ritchie or Lucic over the flames star players.
Sutter wants to play guys that give it 110% on every shift. He doesn't care how much you're paid
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Well that’s noble and all but turns out a team of those guys just isn’t going to win in the NHL. He needs to get his good players engaged and giving their minutes to plugs I don’t think is a long term winning formula.
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Sutter wants to play guys that give it 110% on every shift. He doesn't care how much you're paid
He should focus more on probability of success IMO. It's great to throw those guys out for an energy ####. They shouldn't be on the ice all that much when the Flames are down by a goal in the late 3rd.
Ahh yes appeal to authority, the classic irrefutable argument. Players change, expectations of players change. What worked back in LA might not work anymore. We’ve seen it more drastically in baseball with the demise of the hard*** coaches there but I think views of coaches in hockey has changed as well. If he’s not going to be able to motivate his stars or get fresh blood in this lineup those fourth line pluggers are not going to save him (or the team in general).
Those stars were in the last year of their contracts so maybe it was more on them than we thought it was. This year everyone is well paid and secure so I’m guessing a little less drive.
And yes I’m still happy that Tkachuk and Gaudreau are gone. I don’t believe in either as a solution to playoff success. Especially Johnny. That still doesn’t mean that the same disconnect Matthew said here can’t develop between Sutter and his current stars.
I mean, that is the only negative thing he says about the Flames. I think we knew there was a rift. Meh, he is gone. We got better, they got much worse. Lets see how the season plays out
A guy who was prominent on the Flames team (no longer here) said he hated Tkachuk and most of the locker room hated how he had this manipulated persona in the media that wasn’t the same as what he did in the locker room.
This feels like that to me.
I wanted to stay for “6,7, 8 years” I’m sure he did…for $9.5M+
If he said I’d stay for 8 years at $7M then I’m sure the Flames would have agreed. Stuff like this is just tailored to try to make him look like he’s not the bad guy.
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A guy who was prominent on the Flames team (no longer here) said he hated Tkachuk and most of the locker room hated how he had this manipulated persona in the media that wasn’t the same as what he did in the locker room.
This feels like that to me.
I wanted to stay for “6,7, 8 years” I’m sure he did…for $9.5M+
If he said I’d stay for 8 years at $7M then I’m sure the Flames would have agreed. Stuff like this is just tailored to try to make him look like he’s not the bad guy.
Exactly and his stats at the time didn't back it up
he also "wanted to stay" at the end of last season when asked
Well if his point is that Sutter doesn’t play his stars enough well that is sort of true. Right now part of the problem is Sutter seemingly wants to play Lewis or Ritchie or Lucic over the flames star players.
I think an argument can be made for the disparity in ice time being too tight between say a 3/4th liner and a 1st/2nd liner.
I think that's fair.
But to say he plays lower roster players more wouldn't be true.
In average ice time
1. Kadri
2. Huberdeau
And I'd say he's 8 forwards deep in that 12 minute 5 on 5 average per game (Kadri, Huberdeau, Mangiapane, Lindholm, Coleman, Dube, Toffoli, Backlund), which is the group that we'd all agree should play more.
A minute step down to Lewis.
Another 30 second to Lucic
Another minute to Ritchie
Another minute to Rooney.
So no he's not playing Lewis and Ritchie more than the stars, but what is the best deployment of four lines over the course of a season?
Well that’s noble and all but turns out a team of those guys just isn’t going to win in the NHL. He needs to get his good players engaged and giving their minutes to plugs I don’t think is a long term winning formula.
I don't think giving minutes to players that aren't playing well or hard is a formula for winning. It breeds entitlement and bad habits. This is short term pain for long term gain. They'll get it turned around.
I think an argument can be made for the disparity in ice time being too tight between say a 3/4th liner and a 1st/2nd liner.
I think that's fair.
But to say he plays lower roster players more wouldn't be true.
In average ice time
1. Kadri
2. Huberdeau
And I'd say he's 8 forwards deep in that 12 minute 5 on 5 average per game (Kadri, Huberdeau, Mangiapane, Lindholm, Coleman, Dube, Toffoli, Backlund), which is the group that we'd all agree should play more.
A minute step down to Lewis.
Another 30 second to Lucic
Another minute to Ritchie
Another minute to Rooney.
So no he's not playing Lewis and Ritchie more than the stars, but what is the best deployment of four lines over the course of a season?
The issue is he is gifting ice time to his buddies who should only be 6–8-minute energy players because they are not good and should not be playing as much as they are. That other ice time can be distributed to the top 6.
Guys are trying to get going and it's not an effort issue they are trying, but they are sitting you can't find your game sitting and watching the Lewis Rooney, Lucic, Ritchie combo getting 12-13 minutes a game. In a game with special teams when some of those guys don't play on them, they end up with them same amount of ice time and Huberdeau and guys are sitting 16 minutes shows how poorly Sutter has managed the bench.
Look around the NHL and show me what team sits their star players as much as the flames and plays useless pluggers for 12-13 minutes a game.
