Too early to panic about Markstrom

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Without diving into his stats my impression was always good year/off year/good year/off year

Flames have been this for eight or so years too

[Flaming Horse]

Its just plain fact not opinion that the Mcdufus goal was very soft.He has to stop that one.It is not even debatable.

[ResAlien]

Not a lot of stat diving is necessary; Markstrom’s been mostly ass this year. He’s a lock for a softy per game and the butthole puckering is back to the Hiller times with every shot regardless of danger. Hope he gets it figured out quickly and the Flames don’t have to climb too big of a hill to stay in it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Flames have been this for eight or so years too

Yeah. I've just come to accept this is a down year. Hopefully they can make the playoffs but the trend is real.

[peter12]

I'm not panicking, but I don't think this team has what it takes, sadly.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Flaming Horse

Its just plain fact not opinion that the Mcdufus goal was very soft.He has to stop that one.It is not even debatable.

What he had to do was play the dump in better and get back to his net quicker. When McDavid takes the shot his back leg is still past the goal line.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Inferno

What he had to do was play the dump in better and get back to his net quicker. When McDavid takes the shot his back leg is still past the goal line.

What are you saying? He clearly should have played the dump in better, but that was not a terribly difficult save. McDavid had no angle and was shooting from distance. Somehow Markstrom slid too far left and was beat on the near side...which seems like a damn hard thing to do. You are making it sound like he didn't get back in time to cover the net, be he had time to get there, he in fact had time to get further than he needed to.

[Enoch Root]

No way a guy should score from there - all he had to do was be big, but he collapsed and he over-committed

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

What are you saying? He clearly should have played the dump in better, but that was not a terribly difficult save. McDavid had no angle and was shooting from distance. Somehow Markstrom slid to far left and was beat on the near side...which seems like a damn hard thing to do. You are making it sound like he didn't get back in time to cover the net, be he had time to get there, he in fact had time to get further than he needed to.

Read what I wrote and you have your answer.

That screenshot is the moment the shot is taken. He wasn't set when it was taken. He's still trying to get back into his crease and into position. That's on him though because of how he played the dump in.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

What are you saying? He clearly should have played the dump in better, but that was not a terribly difficult save. McDavid had no angle and was shooting from distance. Somehow Markstrom slid too far left and was beat on the near side...which seems like a damn hard thing to do. You are making it sound like he didn't get back in time to cover the net, be he had time to get there, he in fact had time to get further than he needed to.

I think what likely happened is since he wasn't in the best position to get back to the net, he panicked and subsequently slid too far as he didn't have as much time as he should have to judge the perfect amount to fully cover the net.

[Inferno]

Had he stopped where he is on the screenshot I posted the puck hits his chest. But no goalie is going to stop and set for a shot from there with one of your feet behind the goal line. You're going to try and get it near the post.

[Psytic]

There hasn't been a single goaltender in the Sigalet / Labarbra era that has improved with the Flames. Even the goalie prospects Sigalet coached in the AHL that were highly toted became busts. Some of it is that the goalies weren't that good but its hard to see either of these two as being a net positive when there isn't a single successful goalie between the two of them...


The Flames finally get a good goalie that we know has had success in the past and he gets worse just like the everyone else. Is every goalie the Flames acquire or draft just head cases? Or is the goalie coaching team just not that good... If Daryl can make a big impact on the team as a whole, so can a good goalie coach. Maybe Labarabra and Sigalet are the Jeff Ward and Glue Gun of goalie coaching... Flames are on the hook for 6 mill, might as well change the coaching team first and see if it helps.

[dino7c]

Markstrom had a career year last season so that might be a bit much

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Markstrom had a career year last season so that might be a bit much

He did in Vancouver before as well. How much of that is raw skill and remembering the teachings of the previous coaching team.

[Kasi]

I think Sutters system is just about shot volume for and against. Putting pucks to the net like he says it. The quality of the shots isn’t the greatest priority there so I’m curious how Sutter teams have done on things like PDO historically. But anyway for that to work on the defensive end you’re probably going to expect 20-28 shots against most nights and if you have a goalie who can do .900+ that means 2 goals against and you hopefully win a lot of 3-2 games. You let in 3-4 most nights and the system falls apart.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Markstrom is not the elite 1A goalie that much is becoming very clear he had one incredible year and a bunch of meh for the rest of his career.

The good thing is you don't need the elite 1A to win a cup, but you do need a competent goalie who makes the saves he needs to, and he isn't that right now. That save % is going to take some historic level play to bring back to normal.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Kasi

I think Sutters system is just about shot volume for and against. Putting pucks to the net like he says it. The quality of the shots isn’t the greatest priority there so I’m curious how Sutter teams have done on things like PDO historically. But anyway for that to work on the defensive end you’re probably going to expect 20-28 shots against most nights and if you have a goalie who can do .900+ that means 2 goals against and you hopefully win a lot of 3-2 games. You let in 3-4 most nights and the system falls apart.

This isn't just Sutter's system though, it's the entire NHL though.

Teams averaged 32 shots a game last season, average save percentage was .905. That's an average of 3.04 goals per game.

If you can score 3+ goals you probably win or at least get a point. If you only allow 2 you are probably getting at least 1 point for sure. If you allow 4 you've probably lost 95% of the time.

Every team's plan most nights is to likely win the game 3-2, that's just how the NHL is. Unfortunately this year our save percentage issues and shooting percentage issues have turned what should be 3-2 wins into 3-2 losses.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Read what I wrote and you have your answer.

That screenshot is the moment the shot is taken. He wasn't set when it was taken. He's still trying to get back into his crease and into position. That's on him though because of how he played the dump in.

What you are saying doesn't make sense. Are you trying to place the blame for that goal on the Markstrom who left the net instead of the Markstrom who slid too far to make the save? It's like you are treating these as the actions of two different people, and by blaming one you alleviate the blame for the other.

It really makes no difference. Markstrom should not have left his net, but even in doing so it should have been routine to get back to his net and make that save.

This is like shooting yourself in the foot right before running a marathon. And then when you fail to finish the marathon you go tell someone it's not your fault, you had a bullet hole in your damn foot.

Edit. I should say I understand what you are saying, but I don't understand the endgame of placing blame on one of his actions in that play over the other.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Are you trying to place the blame for that goal on the Markstrom who left the net instead of the Markstrom who slid too far to make the save?

Does it really matter? I'm saying Markstrom is responsible for the goal. That should make you happy. Him not being able to make the save is a result of him trying to play the puck, failing, and then not being able to get back to his net in time to set himself.

If he's set I doubt that goes in.

[442scotty]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Without diving into his stats my impression was always good year/off year/good year/off year

The whole team does this do they not?