[PGT] Flames lose 6th straight. NJD 3 - CGY 2

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

If it's a high danger chance, by definition it has better odds of going in than being saved. You give high danger chances you're going to get scored on, I feel better knowing it was high danger chances instead of low percentage shots going in.

The point is Markstrom gave up 3 goals on 6 high danger chances. The Oilers goalie (don't care which one) gave up two goals on 18 high danger chances.

Markstrom has not been good enough.

[bubbsy]

Flames just aren't that good a team unfortunately. Injuries have hurt the quality of d, the don't have any real forward game breakers other than kadri tonight. Lindholm is basically a stronger backlund, with less play making ability.

Markstrom is not an elite goalie. He's not a winner, or a big game guy. Flames needed something to get them outta this funk, and he puts up a solid 0.850. Flames didn't lose because of him, but he wasn't isn't a guy capable of stealing a game either.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

The Oilers game up 18 high danger chances tonight and had two goals scored. The Flames gave up 6 high danger chances and had three goals scored.

lord have mercy on stuart and jack's souls

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

But this is just false. Based on high danger chances per 60 and scoring chances per 60 they have been fine.

Stats can be misleading. Teams don't always get a shot away when the other team makes a bad decision.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

But this is just false. Based on high danger chances per 60 and scoring chances per 60 they have been fine.

The goalies are just letting more in so it feels like the defense is worse.

the defense has been noticeably worse since losing Tanev. I also think we're really missing Shilly and Gudbradson, gud was great last season

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I like how it was supposed to be one game a week for Vladar and we are 4 weeks in and hes played 3 games.

Sutter could easily decide to play him twice in one week and make up for it.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I thought you were replying to a different part if my post. My apologies for mis-interpreting your response.

But in this game the Flames had more scoring chances, and more high danger scoring chances by a significant margin, and list 3-2. So I guess I should say it feels like every breakdown ends up in our net.

Ah ok, it's all good.

On the flip side, if the Flames keep generating more chances why are they not going in? Snakebit? Bad players? Terrible shot attempts?

I don't know but especially with guys like Eat Bread MIA offensively you'd think the Flames could outscore some of their problems one of these days with the players they have. Maybe next game.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

The point is Markstrom gave up 3 goals on 6 high danger chances. The Oilers goalie (don't care which one) gave up two goals on 18 high danger chances.

Markstrom has not been good enough.

We know the oilers have had horseshoes up their asses. lol

. I really think you could have games where every high danger goes in or some where they don't. but 3 goals in 6 chances does look bad

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Inferno

You care way too much about stats. Not every high danger scoring chance is the same. It's about quality not quantity.

All that the Flames allowing six high danger chances mean is that the Devils held onto the puck more than the Lightning did. The Flames' team defense was still horrid.

Their team defense was not horrid tonight. Let's not make #### up

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Flames just aren't that good a team unfortunately. Injuries have hurt the quality of d, the don't have any real forward game breakers other than kadri tonight. Lindholm is basically a stronger backlund, with less play making ability.

Markstrom is not an elite goalie. He's not a winner, or a big game guy. Flames needed something to get them outta this funk, and he puts up a solid 0.850. Flames didn't lose because of him, but he wasn't isn't a guy capable of stealing a game either.

I dunno up until round 2 last year markstrom had seen the Canucks to the third round and beat oettinger in a series within 2 years

people love to suddenly come upon amnesia when things aren't going well . annoys me because it's exaggerated and obviously not objective when you selectively omit the good things he did before and after joining the team

maybe time to run with vladar for a few in a row and maybe get the competitor in Jacob going . but making absolute statements about a player when they are down annoys me .. it's poor fandom .. bottom tier ****

[PepsiFree]

I think the problem isn’t that the team or any individual players are actually bad. We know they aren’t. It’s that everything is falling off at the same time. Markstrom isn’t stealing games, so the offensive issues are glaring. The defence are a mess, so the goaltending issues are glaring. The offence isn’t running about the score, so the defensive issues are glaring.

I don’t doubt that one or two of those things (and eventually all three) will reverse in short order. It just… sucks.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Their team defense was not horrid tonight. Let's not make #### up

It was far from fine that's for sure.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Their team defense was not horrid tonight. Let's not make #### up

it was good except for a crucial breakdown, otherwise not many mistakes which is a good sign. During this slump it's felt like every mistake is in the net, and our chances aren't going in.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

If it's a high danger chance, by definition it has better odds of going in than being saved. You give high danger chances you're going to get scored on, I feel better knowing it was high danger chances instead of low percentage shots going in.

Flames rank:

High Danger Save Percentage: .767 (26th - 21 GA on 90 shots)
Medium Danger Save Percentage: .894 (16th - 13 GA on 123 shots)
Low Danger Save Percentage : .951 (22nd - 5 GA on 102 shots)
Total Save Percentage: .882 (28th)

So not enough big saves and then the odd softie thrown in too.

In terms of the shots against they rank:

High Danger Shots Against per 60: 7.4 (4th)
Medium Danger Shots Against per 60: 10.1 (26th)
Low Danger Shots Against per 60: 8.4 (2nd)
Total Shots Against Per 60: 27.7 (5th)

It’s clear that the problem is the goaltending and not the team defense. Not sure how much more protection they need than top 5 in high danger chances against and total shots against.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think the problem isn’t that the team or any individual players are actually bad. We know they aren’t. It’s that everything is falling off at the same time. Markstrom isn’t stealing games, so the offensive issues are glaring. The defence are a mess, so the goaltending issues are glaring. The offence isn’t running about the score, so the defensive issues are glaring.

I don’t doubt that one or two of those things (and eventually all three) will reverse in short order. It just… sucks.

You hit the nail on the head, it's bad things happening at once

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I dunno up until round 2 last year markstrom had seen the Canucks to the third round and beat oettinger in a series within 2 years

people love to suddenly come upon amnesia when things aren't going well . annoys me because it's exaggerated and obviously not objective when you selectively omit the good things he did before and after joining the team

maybe time to run with vladar for a few in a row and maybe get the competitor in Jacob going . but making absolute statements about a player when they are down annoys me .. it's poor fandom .. bottom tier ****

Markstrom showed me enough of how capable he is to be a top end goalie against the flames biggest rival during his tenure here.

Another game this year, where the other team's goalie out plays markstrom. He's regressing from what I see..

[1qqaaz]

Markstrom's saves above expected isn't as bad as I thought it would be (it's practically even). It's bad for a goalie of his caliber and with his salary. He's 27th in the league in goals save above expected per 60 minutes played. Vladar is 67th (out of 70).

But the fact that his save percentage is as low as it is, while still being nearly even in saves above expected, shows that there are indeed other problems. I just don't think these other problems are as dire. They're still suppressing shots.

Mangiapane has really struggled. The top line has yet to get going. The team has one of its worst injury bugs in years.

Hopefully they just make it through this period.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I dunno up until round 2 last year markstrom had seen the Canucks to the third round and beat oettinger in a series within 2 years

That was the 2nd round, and he was bad vs the Knights and had to be pulled in favor of Demko.

Beat Oettinger? The Flames were the far superior team and needed game 7 OT to get by them due to Oettinger nearly stealing it. Marky was not the better of the 2 goalies in that series.

Then we all know what happened after that.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Flames rank:

High Danger Save Percentage: .767 (26th - 21 GA on 90 shots)
Medium Danger Save Percentage: .894 (16th - 13 GA on 123 shots)
Low Danger Save Percentage : .951 (22th - 5 GA on 102 shots)
Total Save Percentage: .882 (28th -

So not enough big saves and then the odd softie thrown in too.

In terms of the shots against they rank:

High Danger Shots Against per 60: 7.4 (4th)
Medium Danger Shots Against per 60: 10.1 (26th)
Low Danger Shots Against per 60: 8.4 (2nd)
Total Shots Against Per 60: 27.7 (5th)

It’s clear that the problem is the goaltending and not the team defense. Not sure how much more protection they need than top 5 in high danger chances against and total shots against.

it's also the timing of the high danger chances too, i bet the stats would show a lot of high danger chances in the second half of third periods. Under 10 mins in the 3rd with a lead or tie you want to lock it down and not give up high danger chances, and that isn't happening

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

That was the 2nd round, and he was bad vs the Knights and had to be pulled in favor of Demko.

Beat Oettinger? The Flames were the far superior team and needed game 7 OT to get by them due to Oettinger nearly stealing it. Marky was not the better of the 2 goalies in that series.

Then we all know what happened after that.

sorry I remember seeing them play 3 rounds .. I guess that included the play ins

he was brilliant against the reigning champ blues .. I thought the Canucks had no chance

he was still the winning goalie in 4 of 7 games .. that lengthy OT in game 7 when Dallas started to pour it on could have easily been the end of the line for Calgary .. he stood tall