[Signing] Bruins sign Mitchell Miller UPDATE: Rescinded

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Yeah, that's more or less where I'm at. I don't think who people are is defined by either the worst thing they've done, or the best thing they've done. I don't think there are good or bad people, as much as good or bad behavior/actions.

It's what folks do once a transgression has been made, what they do in the in-between space that matters. I Agree that Miller hasn't seemed to do any sort of restorative action.

Well said. And thing is, we often don't know what really happens in the in between space. In the world of celebrity, these actions are usually framed in a way to create the desired perception.

In this case, seems it didn't take too much digging to see whatever restorative action that took place was paper thin.

Ob the flip side, arguably the most meaningful examples of restorative action would be the things we never never hear about.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jammies

Vehemently disagreeing with someone is not cyberbullying. It's also not cyberbullying if someone disagrees with you multiple times, or multiple people disagree with you.

Other things that do not constitute cyberbullying include passive-aggressive tone and pointing out repeated instances of poorly thought-out argumentation. People are also allowed to find and describe opinions as repugnant, incoherent, or unintelligent without that being cyberbullying.

To be defined as cyberbullying, there must be threats or intimidation. Demonstrate where these have occurred, and you'll be taken seriously. Otherwise please stop spamming everyone with your specious and tiresome accusations.

When someone repeatedly goes off the topic to make the focus a poster they don't agree with by belittling then that is cyber bullying. I get you and all the cool kids think it is ok because it has been the norm on here for years.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Cam Neely comes out of this looking really really bad.

Here's a clip from the press conference:

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

When someone repeatedly goes off the topic to make the focus a poster they don't agree with by belittling then that is cyber bullying. I get you and all the cool kids think it is ok because it has been the norm on here for years.

If you don't like what he says, put him on mute?

Or thicken up your skin a bit?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

When someone repeatedly goes off the topic to make the focus a poster they don't agree with by belittling then that is cyber bullying. I get you and all the cool kids think it is ok because it has been the norm on here for years.

You literally do this in every conversation involving someone you don’t like. It’s like clockwork. I didn’t even mention you until you quoted me, but I’m the bully when you repeatedly make me the focus?

For example:

Originally Posted by dissentowner

By what a lot of posters are saying is despite him apologizing to the victim and family and then being told he cannot have any more contact with the family and not breaking that order he is actually not remorseful. There is a mob mentality happening here that is disturbing. There is also a group of posters here who are experts at cyber bullying other posters, specifically one who shared his story and why he feels the way he does and got absolutely #### on for it. I suspect there is more than a few sketons in these posters closets that maybe they should not be so goddamn holier than thou all the time, belittling others who question things that go against their beliefs.

Who was talking about a mob mentality before you? You’re disturbed by others? Suddenly posters you don’t like have “sketons” in their closets? Why are you going off topic and talking about other posters when that is your definition of cyber bullying?

I haven’t posted anything worse than this. Are you “cyber bullying” everyone?

Maybe stop quoting the posts of mine where you aren’t the focus, let alone mentioned, if you don’t like my attention. Seems like an easy solution. You’d be unable to turn around and play victim, but it should solve your immediate issue.

[PuckDemon]

Miller still has a path to the NHL, he just made it a whole lot harder for himself. He could go the the KHL, and if he's good enough and show that he's become a better human, the possibility of playing in the NHL is still open.

Anyone who thinks that denying him an NHL contract is ruining his life is really stretching things. Worst case is he lives a regular non-hockey life, with the benefit of not carrying the trauma of being severely bullied. So his worst case scenario is still better than his victim's life circumstances.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Best part of this thread. I get to discover all the right wing conservatives that I'll be muting.

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What a sad and common but stupid approach to life. Don't listen to others that don't think the same as you! How did this thread devolve into this ####?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

For someone who is so comfortable with not being perfect you are sure spending a lot of effort blaming others for why you aren’t and explaining away why you’re actually the virtuous one despite your imperfections.

Who have I blamed? You've said this at least twice now. If anything my perspective is borne out through my recognition of my own imperfections.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If you think this is compelling and will change the narrative for you, more power to you though. But I think anyone with half a mind of their own reading the thread knows it was never about second chances, but whether those second chances had been earned and if they should include winning the lottery.

Again, no one, myself included, said there were unconditional second chances. You and others keep trying to twist the narrative, as you say, in that direction. But if you can find a quote from anyone in this thread saying that, feel free to re-post it.

What you, and others, seem to be up in arms about is that anyone would even consider giving someone with such a past a second chance, regardless of their efforts to reconcile. That is not to say that Miller has done so in this instance. But absence of evidence, it seems as though someone with a past like Miller's is irredeemable in your eyes. But do correct me if I am wrong about that.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Maybe next post you can explain how you were defending second chances by trying to cast doubt on the mother. I’m sure that was from the heart, too.

I was casting doubt on the shallow reporting. The fact that you can't tell the difference says a lot. But again, keep twisting?

I wholeheartedly believe the mother means what she says, and I empathize with her position. I would have a very hard time forgiving someone who victimized my own child in this way. I might be doing the exact same things she is doing if in a similar situation. But I hope, for her and her family's sake, that they will be able to find a path towards true healing. As this media circus coming to town every two years benefits no one.

[OptimalTates]

So when do the Oilers sign him?

[MrMike]

So without reading the last 19 pages, did the Bruins cancel their contract with this kid after the media backlash that we all knew was going to happen?

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by MrMike

So without reading the last 19 pages, did the Bruins cancel their contract with this kid after the media backlash that we all knew was going to happen?

Pretty much.

[nik-]

The hilarious irony of continually complaining about bullying while vehemently defending a legitimate bully.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by nik-

The hilarious irony of continually complaining about bullying while vehemently defending a legitimate bully.

That's not what irony means.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

That's not what irony means.

Alanis Morissette disagrees.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by nik-

Alanis Morissette disagrees.

Well... Isn't that ironic!

[Bs&Cs]

Originally Posted by MrMike

So without reading the last 19 pages, did the Bruins cancel their contract with this kid after the media backlash that we all knew was going to happen?

I don't think they foresaw the backlash being this intense. Or the revolt in the media by the players or that Miller/agent lying about the extent or nature of his supposed volunteer work would be totally exposed as fraudulent like it has been. The entire thing is so confusing and bizarre and no scenario you can come up with if you imagined you were Bruins brass is... good. Either they're totally incompetent and didn't vet any of this stuff, or they did, found out it was crap, didn't care and signed him over the objection of the entire roster.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by nik-

Alanis Morissette disagrees.

Let's see what the Oxford dictionary says...

the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.

Does that sound like what was meant?

[KelVarnsen]

Oy

[jammies]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

When someone repeatedly goes off the topic to make the focus a poster they don't agree with by belittling then that is cyber bullying.

No. Wrong. Nobody is threatening you, no one is intimidating you, and if you are being "belittled", you've failed to demonstrate any instances of it, let alone an egregious pattern of it that might qualify as bullying.

Take it up with the mods if you think a poster is bullying you. If you have, and they disagree with your assessment as to whether you're being bullied, then your recourse is to block that poster and just not respond. We're not in high school and stuck in the same class, you don't HAVE to associate with anyone here you that don't want to. Stop acting helpless when you're not.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Bs&Cs

Either they're totally incompetent and didn't vet any of this stuff, or they did, found out it was crap, didn't care and signed him over the objection of the entire roster.

my money is still on option 2. I mean, they themselves took him off their draft board in 2020, they knew it wasn't an isolated incident (like they claimed when they signed him). They probably thought they could deal with the initial backlash, weather the storm for a couple of days and ultimately get away with it.

I always come back to Cardinals GM Steve Keim, who, at the NFL combine, was once asked about character concerns of certain prospects and said "if Hannibal Lecter ran a 4.3 in the 40 dash, we'd diagnose it as an eating disorder". The Bruins probably underestimated the amount of backlash and figured it adding a prospect who dominated the USHL for free was worth it.