[Signing] Bruins sign Mitchell Miller UPDATE: Rescinded

[Jiri Hrdina]

The comments about right wingers is confusing. How would one use this discussion to identify political allegiances?
I'm generally a centralist though I am certainly left on social issues and lean a little right on fiscal ones.

But why are we assuming what people's political leanings are on the basis of this conversation?

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by jayswin

What the **** are you guys doing, seriously? Like, we have a player that was heavily rumoured to have shown no remorse for years of bullying a special needs student. Then when things are finally confirmed and the team backtracks we get "BUT TRUDEAAUUU!!!!" as a sudden topic change? Like laugh out ****ing loud, guys. Jesus.

(we also, technically, don't even elect the PM.)

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Try doing it without the magistrate's name. But I've literally read a hundred articles making that magistrate claim without his name or quote being included. I didn't state the claim was untrue, I stated it was (as best I could tell, given a mountain of articles) single sourced.

But as for your question: yes, I expect The Athletic to quote multiple sources to support a claim, or at least attempt to do so. Publications I respect at least put things like, "we attempted to reach out to (source) but they did not respond by the time of publication." And even better, actually amend the article should the source respond.

It's a six year old quote that was established to be 'true' the last go around. If you read any of the The Athletic articles from 2020 they credit the Toledo Blade and the victim's mother. This one was paywalled so not exactly sure what was stated by The Athletic but it's common knowledge on the case at this point and already faced journalistic scrutiny when it was released in 2016. Unless you have reason to believe that the quote isn't real, why are you mad that The Athletic used a confirmed quote by the magistrate?

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The comments about right wingers is confusing. How would one use this discussion to identify political allegiances?
I'm generally a centralist though I am certainly left on social issues and lean a little right on fiscal ones.

But why are we assuming what people's political leanings are on the basis of this conversation?

I have no idea. I am responding to:

Originally Posted by manwiches

Best part of this thread. I get to discover all the right wing conservatives that I'll be muting.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So ‘One strike, you're out’ is the correct way to go? He should be in prison, after all? People should be punished for life because Internet randos who have never met them think they're not apologetic enough?

I'll even defend you if anyone says you should lose your career for being a bully, and you're as big a bully as anyone I've met in 17 years on this forum. Sometimes the punishment is excessive for the crime. Some people don't appear to get that.

One strike? Have you paid attention to the story? This was years of physical and mental abuse and even after the urinal incident Miller followed that up with intimidation. Literally psychotic behavior.

No one is saying he should be in jail today for what he did when he was a kid but people are saying he shouldn’t get the privilege of playing in a league where less than 1% of people who play the game get to play. A league where you are expected to be a role model and have earning potential in the millions of dollars per year. The despicable choices made by a young man who should know better have removed that opportunity for Miller. When you are 14 you know the difference between right and wrong.

Again no one is saying he can’t get another job and live his life. I am sure the KHL will give him a shot. The NHL should not and I am glad the Bruins have cut ties with him. This is a great example for parents to use when telling their kids mistakes you make when you are younger can be with you into adulthood. Hopefully these hard lessons help Miller truthfully change and not just provide the lip service it appears he has been doing to this point.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

It's a six year old quote that was established to be 'true' the last go around. If you read any of the The Athletic articles from 2020 they credit the Toledo Blade and the victim's mother. This one was paywalled so not exactly sure what was stated by The Athletic but it's common knowledge on the case at this point and already faced journalistic scrutiny when it was released in 2016. Unless you have reason to believe that the quote isn't real, why are you mad that The Athletic used a confirmed quote by the magistrate?

So I should be expected to dig through the Toledo Blade's archive from six years ago to figure out which claims are supported by multiple sources?

Hey, if you like your lazy reporting, then carry on. I expect more than copy-paste.

[OptimalTates]

The magistrate said this

cannon7: FAKE NEWS

Quote confirmed to be real

cannon7: They're fault for not assuming I would call it fake news!

Ironically, The Athletic has sourced the quote (from the Toledo Blade) but the Toledo Blade just posted it as fact without source yet it's the Toledo Blade you give credit too lol.

The simple fact is the magistrate said it, The Athletic correctly reported on the quote, you're still butthurt. And this is all second fiddle to the real reason you wanted the quote to be unverified which was you attacking the mother for no good reason.

Also my Google had it easy to find the source using just the quote:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22B...hrome&ie=UTF-8

[Yeah_Baby]

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m going to guess the response will be “Something something mob justice something something got your pound of flesh something something all you want is blood something something you ruined his life.”

These guys don’t believe in personal accountability, it’s everyone else who is wrong. The victim, the victim’s family, people close to the situation, people in the hockey world, Special Hockey USA, the Carnegie Initiative, the Bruins’ players, and now the Bruins management… it’s all just the internet mob taking another victim, see. Couldn’t possibly be Miller’s fault. Never is their fault.

Apparently I should’ve added the Athletic.

I don’t often quote my own posts for prosperity, but it’s pretty comical that every one of the posters who loudly defended the racist bully has now blamed someone else either for causing them to make a mistake or being what’s ACTUALLY wrong with society/the board/the mob/etc. Every post is some straw man about how “I still believe in second chances, unlike the real villains here.”

Very little changed from Friday to Monday. It seems Miller’s defenders are in fact just like him in one specific way: they don’t seem to understand how they were wrong and it’s hard to tell if they ever will.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Apparently, his dad is on twitter retweeting garbage as well.

From the useless screenshot SuperMatt provided of his sister telling us how many black friends they have, his dad now this does seem like a family issue.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Apparently I should’ve added the Athletic.

I don’t often quote my own posts for prosperity, but it’s pretty comical that every one of the posters who loudly defended the racist bully has now blamed someone else either for causing them to make a mistake or being what’s ACTUALLY wrong with society/the board/the mob/etc. Every post is some straw man about how “I still believe in second chances, unlike the real villains here.”

Very little changed from Friday to Monday. It seems Miller’s defenders are in fact just like him in one specific way: they don’t seem to understand how they were wrong and it’s hard to tell if they ever will.

Can we get textcritic in here ASAP.

[sketchyt]

I had one foot in the second chances pool.

After seeing Neely's comments and news afterward, I've realized that second chances are given for a reason. There's no reason here.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

I had one foot in the second chances pool.

After seeing Neely's comments and news afterward, I've realized that second chances are given for a reason. There's no reason here.

I don't understand why he was signed randomly as well. It's not like this guy is tearing it up and had some real talent. By all accounts he probably won't even make the NHL.

The information was available to them and has been for a long time. This isn't a second chance type of thing.

Colin Kaperknick is waiting for his second chance.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Try doing it without the magistrate's name. But I've literally read a hundred articles making that magistrate claim without his name or quote being included. I didn't state the claim was untrue, I stated it was (as best I could tell, given a mountain of articles) single sourced.

But as for your question: yes, I expect The Athletic to quote multiple sources to support a claim, or at least attempt to do so. Publications I respect at least put things like, "we attempted to reach out to (source) but they did not respond by the time of publication." And even better, actually amend the article should the source respond.

Originally Posted by cannon7

So I should be expected to dig through the Toledo Blade's archive from six years ago to figure out which claims are supported by multiple sources?

Hey, if you like your lazy reporting, then carry on. I expect more than copy-paste.

Challenge accepted.

https://www.google.com/search?q=magi...&ie=UTF-8#ip=1

The original Athletic article, which appears to be non-paywalled, appears halfway down the first page of results. As you can see, I only used three words. It was incredibly easy, and the Magistrate's quote is there, in full. Any and all of this would have been available to the Bruins since October 2020.

https://theathletic.com/2162185/2020...ing-nhl/?amp=1

The article is also well sourced.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Apparently I should’ve added the Athletic.

I don’t often quote my own posts for prosperity, but it’s pretty comical that every one of the posters who loudly defended the racist bully has now blamed someone else either for causing them to make a mistake or being what’s ACTUALLY wrong with society/the board/the mob/etc. Every post is some straw man about how “I still believe in second chances, unlike the real villains here.”

Very little changed from Friday to Monday. It seems Miller’s defenders are in fact just like him in one specific way: they don’t seem to understand how they were wrong and it’s hard to tell if they ever will.

And here you go with the cyber bullying again because some people questioned if a 14 year old can change. You seriously need to step away and reevaluate your posting style.

[Wastedyouth]

It is WILD how quickly people will jump to the defense of bad people.

All the while jumping to negative and offensive conclusions and hatred towards the players of their favourite hockey team.

It boggles my mind.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1589659205958389760

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Apparently, his dad is on twitter retweeting garbage as well.

From the useless screenshot SuperMatt provided of his sister telling us how many black friends they have, his dad now this does seem like a family issue.

Just to be clear the reason I posted that screenshot was to show that both side's families of course are going to be biased in this situation.

I still think that if Miller actually did the things his agent said he was doing then this contract shouldn't be an issue, people should be allowed to change and evolve from mistakes they make when they are 13/14.

But if he's saying he's doing those things, and then not actually doing them...then that's on him as a 19 year old and not taking the actual steps needed to try to improve and change.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

And here you go with the cyber bullying again because some people questioned if a 14 year old can change. You seriously need to step away and reevaluate your posting style.

Apology accepted.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

I keep seeing people talk about ruining Miller's life, and how he should get a second chance etc etc. But no one talking about how the victim has been affected by this. I guarantee he's ruined for life by this. He'll never be able to fully trust anyone who claims to be his friend, he'll never be able to look at a candy and not taste piss in his mouth. He's been affected for life. I have already previously stated how bullying of this extreme level will sit with a person right thru adulthood and how this poor kid will never ever be whole again, from personal experience, so I won't go into that again. I just find it really enraging to see all the worry about his attacker, and how his life will go, with little to no concern about the victim and how his life is already ruined.