How do you pronounce Kadri?

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by pylon

The most obscene thing about this thread, is how quick people jump on the “You’re a RACIST!” narrative for someone being annoyed by the pronunciation of a word. It’s disgusting. If we were complaining about Ball pronouncing Backlunds name wrong, people would be joking around and making memes. But because the announcer and player are a visible minority, all off a sudden, you are labelled as a racist for disagreeing with the way a word is being said.

Look at the frikking thread tags FFS. That’s disgusting. Do better CP.

I can’t speak for the OP but I wouldn’t blame them as there was nothing racist implied by the original post.

A similar tag was added to my thread here: https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=189767

I don’t know who did it but it wasn’t me and I personally don’t like the thought of someone else anonymously adding tags to a thread that I created. I even flagged it for the mods this morning as I thought maybe it was one of them doing it: https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=190215

[getbak]

I believe only mods and the thread creator can add tags to a thread.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by getbak

I believe only mods and the thread creator can add tags to a thread.

Thanks for letting me know, I've removed the offensive "racists outing themselves" tag that someone else added on. If it was a mod, that's disappointing and needs to be raised to management.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I can’t speak for the OP but I wouldn’t blame them as there was nothing racist implied by the original post.

A similar tag was added to my thread here: https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=189767

I don’t know who did it but it wasn’t me and I personally don’t like the thought of someone else anonymously adding tags to a thread that I created. I even flagged it for the mods this morning as I thought maybe it was one of them doing it: https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=190215

Originally Posted by getbak

I believe only mods and the thread creator can add tags to a thread.

So it was a mod that added 'Incels outing themselves'?

[Jiri Hrdina]

I can add tags by clicking "edit tags" bottom right (though it wasn't me that added the tag in question). I'm no longer a mod though. Do others not have that?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I can add tags by clicking "edit tags" bottom right (though it wasn't me that added the tag in question). I'm no longer a mod though. Do others not have that?

Only on threads I've started.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I can add tags by clicking "edit tags" bottom right (though it wasn't me that added the tag in question). I'm no longer a mod though. Do others not have that?

I started this thread so I able to add tags and edit out the two additional tags someone else put on it "racists outing themselves" and "test". - I guess someone else was testing if they could edit the tags?

I've checked other threads and I have no ability to edit tags on other's threads. So it would have to be a mod or someone with leftover mod abilities like yourself.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

So it was a mod that added 'Incels outing themselves'?

I don’t know who added that one but it wasn’t me. I can only assume someone with mod permissions can do it; I also thought five was the maximum number of tags you could have (and for some reason that one is #6).

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Singh certainly isn't doing it out of disrespect, but he's not speaking strictly to the punjabi audience anymore, he's speaking to national audiences, which includes all the cultures that live in this country. Unless Kadri has specifically said its supposed to be pronounced this way, its completely silly to start pronouncing it with a punjabi accent, especially when Singh himself doesn't speak with an accent generally. Why not pronounce Huberdeau with a Punjabi accent? Tanev? Coleman? Any name can be punjabified.

BTW I'm Punjabi...it's not special to me at all that he's using this accent for Kadri's name. Its actually a bit annoying because he's just applying it superficially to a player that has a brown skin tone, without the right cultural context. Just say it the way that most people say it unless Kadri himself specifies how its pronounced. It just comes across as cringey and trying too hard. And as posted above, its probably highly inaccurate.

Also, I believe Hockey night Punjabi is still happening...I'm sure I saw a Punjabi broadcast option on the Sportsnet streaming app this season.

Thanks for this insight. I get that Singh is proud of his heritage and I do enjoy his excitement when he broadcasts and actually want him to continue even if Rick Ball comes back. However, it seems silly to single out one other player with an ethic-sounding name and keep pronouncing it in distorted way on a national broadcast that has nothing to do with Kadri's actual heritage.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I like how Singh says "Kadri."

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It sounds like he adds an "h" to the spelling which helps him roll the "d" and "r" so nicely. It makes me happy because it sounds like he is really getting into it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Singh certainly isn't doing it out of disrespect, but he's not speaking strictly to the punjabi audience anymore, he's speaking to national audiences, which includes all the cultures that live in this country. Unless Kadri has specifically said its supposed to be pronounced this way, its completely silly to start pronouncing it with a punjabi accent, especially when Singh himself doesn't speak with an accent generally. Why not pronounce Huberdeau with a Punjabi accent? Tanev? Coleman? Any name can be punjabified.

Right, and I think the reason Singh has punjabified Kadri's name and not others essentially answers your question. I am guessing, but I suspect that Singh has a special affinity for Kadri that he does not have for all other NHL players. If I am right about that, then his pronunciation of his name is an homage. It is not offensive, and no one should be offended by it.

And while Singh is no longer speaking to an exclusively Punjabi audience, we also cannot ignore that he is Punjabi, and that Punjabis continue to form a segment of his current audience. I don't see any problem with his efforts to connect with them through innocuous gestures like this.

BTW I'm Punjabi...it's not special to me at all that he's using this accent for Kadri's name. Its actually a bit annoying because he's just applying it superficially to a player that has a brown skin tone, without the right cultural context. Just say it the way that most people say it unless Kadri himself specifies how its pronounced. It just comes across as cringey and trying too hard. And as posted above, its probably highly inaccurate.

Yes. This is your opinion and you are absolutely entitled to it. It's totally fine that you find it annoying and "cringey," but your experience is not every experience. I like it. I think it is fun and I am willing to bet I am not alone in that. But I feel pretty strongly that Singh should not be pressured into changing the way he does certain things if some people are annoyed by them. Like I said above, unless Kadri objects to it, there is no reason why Singh should be prevented from doing this; and given that he sure seems to admire Kadri, I highly doubt he would have started pronouncing his name with a Punjabi lilt if he thought for a second that it bothered him. It is a non-issue as far as I am concerned.

Having said that, I think that because Singh is a cultural minority it also really complicates things. I think the OP and most of the posters in this thread who are irritated by Singh's pronunciation of Kadri's name are very much like you—put out because of a personal preference, and that's fine. However, I am also fairly certain that there are posters and readers of this forum who will use something like this specifically to fuel an existing racially motivated dislike for Singh and his playcall. There are viewers of HNIC who are repulsed because Singh is Sikh, and his choice of pronunciation of Kadri's name lends to that repulsion. And for that reason, maybe it is actually important that he keeps doing it. Maybe this is an instance in which his culturally motivated choice is the right one, in spite of its technical inaccuracy, or even its cringe-factor.

Also, I believe Hockey night Punjabi is still happening...I'm sure I saw a Punjabi broadcast option on the Sportsnet streaming app this season.

That is good to know, thanks.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by pylon

I have real life experience with this, my last name is Polish and has been pronounced wrong my entire 48 years of life by anyone who has been handed my business card or seen my last name.

As someone who has to constantly pronounce my French last name in the English manner to whoever reads it and correct the spelling of anyone who tries to write it from hearing it, I feel your pain. I have no memories of anyone in my life pronouncing it correctly on the first read or spelling it correctly without intervention.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Right, and I think the reason Singh has punjabified Kadri's name and not others essentially answers your question. I am guessing, but I suspect that Singh has a special affinity for Kadri that he does not have for all other NHL players. If I am right about that, then his pronunciation of his name is an homage. It is not offensive, and no one should be offended by it.

And while Singh is no longer speaking to an exclusively Punjabi audience, we also cannot ignore that he is Punjabi, and that Punjabis continue to form a segment of his current audience. I don't see any problem with his efforts to connect with them through innocuous gestures like this.


Right, this is your opinion and you are absolutely entitled to it. It's totally fine that you find it annoying and "cringey," but your experience is not every experience. I like it. I think it is fun and I am willing to bet I am not alone in that. But I feel pretty strongly that Singh should not be pressured into changing the way he does certain things if some people are annoyed by them. Like I said above, unless Kadri objects to it, there is no reason why Singh should be prevented from doing this; and given that he sure seems to admire Kadri, I highly doubt he would have started pronouncing his name with a Punjabi lilt if he thought for a second that it bothered him. It is a non-issue as far as I am concerned.

Having said that, I think that because Singh is a cultural minority it also really complicates things. I think the OP and most of the posters in this thread who are irritated by Singh's pronunciation of Kadri's name are very much like you—put out because of a personal preference, and that's fine. However, I am also fairly certain that there are posters and readers of this forum who will use something like this specifically to fuel an existing racially motivated dislike for Singh and his playcall. There are viewers of HNIC who are repulsed because Singh is Sikh, and his choice of pronunciation of Kadri's name lends to that repulsion. And for that reason, maybe it is actually important that he keeps doing it. Maybe this is an instance in which his culturally motivated choice is the right one, in spite of its technical inaccuracy, or even its cringe-factor.


That is good to know, thanks.

As the OP, I think one reason I brought this up is that as a visible minority growing up in Canada, nobody can pronounce my name right. Nobody at Starbucks can write my name out properly on the cup when I tell it to them. Yesterday at Kal Tire I had to spell out my last name letter by letter for them to type it in. It's part of the Canadian experience.

I don't know if Kadri cares about the Punjabi pronounciation of his Lebanese name, but it irks me that if I made it as a player in the NHL, that the national HNIC broadcasters would be putting a different ethnic flavor/spin on my name and mispronouncing it and mispresenting my own heritage to a national audience every game.

Singh can be proud of his history with HNIC Punjabi edition, but as someone who researches ancient texts in dead languages, don't you also care a little about how things are pronounced (as closely as can be discerned from historical evidence) so the original meaning isn't lost?

[Shazam]

Lots of people get my name wrong. Younger people less so because they're more likely to have met people with my name.

But they're not doing it out of malice and they're always happy to learn something new.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Singh certainly isn't doing it out of disrespect, but he's not speaking strictly to the punjabi audience anymore, he's speaking to national audiences, which includes all the cultures that live in this country. Unless Kadri has specifically said its supposed to be pronounced this way, its completely silly to start pronouncing it with a punjabi accent, especially when Singh himself doesn't speak with an accent generally. Why not pronounce Huberdeau with a Punjabi accent? Tanev? Coleman? Any name can be punjabified.

BTW I'm Punjabi...it's not special to me at all that he's using this accent for Kadri's name. Its actually a bit annoying because he's just applying it superficially to a player that has a brown skin tone, without the right cultural context. Just say it the way that most people say it unless Kadri himself specifies how its pronounced. It just comes across as cringey and trying too hard. And as posted above, its probably highly inaccurate.

Also, I believe Hockey night Punjabi is still happening...I'm sure I saw a Punjabi broadcast option on the Sportsnet streaming app this season.

I dont know why, but this made me chuckle and now I'm here for it.

I want them all Punjabified!!

Its just an amusing concept.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont know why, but this made me chuckle and now I'm here for it.

I want them all Punjabified!!

Its just an amusing concept.

That should be an AI setting we can toggle on the broadcast. All dialects of the world! Like a giant channel knob you turn. "Russian! Punjabi! French! Welsh! Spanish! Nav a ho (actual word gets caught in the swear filter)! Mandarin! Dutch! Greek..."

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Reaper

That should be an AI setting we can toggle on the broadcast. All dialects of the world! Like a giant channel knob you turn. "Russian! Punjabi! French! Welsh! Spanish! Nav a ho (actual word gets caught in the swear filter)! Mandarin! Dutch! Greek..."

Hmm, this would be fun.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

As the OP, I think one reason I brought this up is that as a visible minority growing up in Canada, nobody can pronounce my name right. Nobody at Starbucks can write my name out properly on the cup when I tell it to them. Yesterday at Kal Tire I had to spell out my last name letter by letter for them to type it in. It's part of the Canadian experience.

I am an old white guy, and people can't pronounce my last name either, which is weird because it is an extremely common English name.

I don't know if Kadri cares about the Punjabi pronounciation of his Lebanese name, but it irks me that if I made it as a player in the NHL, that the national HNIC broadcasters would be putting a different ethnic flavor/spin on my name and mispronouncing it and mispresenting my own heritage to a national audience every game.

Well, I don't think that Singh is misrepresenting Kadri's heritage even though the pronunciation of his name is not technically accurate. As I noted above, if Kadri was bothered by it and expressed this to Singh, then he should stop. But I suspect this isn't the case—for all we know, Kadri actually likes it.

Singh can be proud of his history with HNIC Punjabi edition, but as someone who researches ancient texts in dead languages, don't you also care a little about how things are pronounced (as closely as can be discerned from historical evidence) so the original meaning isn't lost?

Certainly, that can be an issue, but is it an issue in this context? There is no lost meaning here. And while my academic interest is generally in ancient texts, it is also pretty nuanced. One of the things that we observe in languages is how dynamic they are, and how much they change or adapt over time and across cultural barriers. For me, I am much more interested in why Singh pronounces Kadri's name like he does, and also why it bothers people who hear it.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

For me, I am much more interested in why Singh pronounces Kadri's name like he does, and also why it bothers people who hear it.

Me too.
Singh obviously is a good guy and thinks he's doing something right here. Maybe he has talked to Kadri about it or maybe he's mistaken and thinks he's pronouncing it the Lebanese way.
Would be great to hear his explanation.

I have to say, that connecting with his Punjabi audience seems the most unlikely answer though.
Throwing a Punjabi accent on to a random word or name that isn't Punjabi, in no way makes me feel more connected to him as a fellow Punjabi person.
I can't imagine any Punjabi person I know thinking that's even a thing.

I also don't think Singh would intentionally mispronounce someone's name to connect with his audience at the expense of disrespecting the player like that.
There's probably more to this story that would be good to hear from Singh.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Me too.
Singh obviously is a good guy and thinks he's doing something right here. Maybe he has talked to Kadri about it or maybe he's mistaken and thinks he's pronouncing it the Lebanese way.
Would be great to hear his explanation.

I have to say, that connecting with his Punjabi audience seems the most unlikely answer though.
Throwing a Punjabi accent on to a random word or name that isn't Punjabi, in no way makes me feel more connected to him as a fellow Punjabi person.
I can't imagine any Punjabi person I know thinking that's even a thing.

I also don't think Singh would intentionally mispronounce someone's name to connect with his audience at the expense of disrespecting the player like that.
There's probably more to this story that would be good to hear from Singh.

You can be a good person and also annoying at the same time.