Flames only nhl team NOT to graduate a single draft pick since 2018

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

In fairness, one reason that there has been no graduation is that there has basically been no injuries among the forwards in a couple of years.

Also, starting in 2018 is arbitrary, and happens to coincide with the fact that they didn't have a pick until the 4th round that year.

Pelletier, Zary and Coronato are all going to play for the Flames either this year, or next year at the latest.

In fairness, it's just the last five draft years. Relatively clean number.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

good luck if you think it will be just half a season before a permanent zary recall

Good luck if you think the team will go through the entire season without any roster changes. And double good luck if you think you know in advance what those roster changes will be.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I think we can assume that if a player is acquired, another player is out. So that would mean $1.578M, plus at least $750K from whoever is outgoing.

But I was talking about promoting players from the AHL, in which case we can't simply make that assumption.

So at least $2.3M today, and that number will grow throughout the year.

It won't if the team spends that money by adding another player to the roster now.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

In fairness, one reason that there has been no graduation is that there has basically been no injuries among the forwards in a couple of years.

Also, starting in 2018 is arbitrary, and happens to coincide with the fact that they didn't have a pick until the 4th round that year.

Pelletier, Zary and Coronato are all going to play for the Flames either this year, or next year at the latest.

Yeah its certainly cherry picked a bit...and if the Flames had injuries like the Bruins have had a couple guys would be up.

Also, its being brought up now because they lost 3 in a row...2 of which they probably should have won considering in both games they heavily controlled the play. Last night not so much.


I would bet one or two of these guys will play with the Flames this season but lets not pretend the Flames have a Connor Bedard in the minors that they are holding back for no reason. Zary is likely an NHLer but the other two are 50/50 for me.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Good luck if you think the team will go through the entire season without any roster changes. And double good luck if you think you know in advance what those roster changes will be.

wow, looks like I'm going to have amazing luck at least

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

he has played ~40 college games, and ~ 10-12 at center. He has only played center this season and is Harvard's #1 C

Huh! I had no clue. Definitely interesting.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

In fairness, it's just the last five draft years. Relatively clean number.

In order to be meaningful, it should be a longer term, that normalizes numbers, situations, etc

You chose it to sensationalize the number

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

In order to be meaningful, it should be a longer term, that normalizes numbers, situations, etc

You chose it to sensationalize the number

No, I think it's a relevant timeline — it lines up pretty well with Sutter's return, plus a time in which the Flames have been relatively free-wheeling about dealing picks.

I'm looking at a snapshot of the present that compares the 32 teams under individual management groups, only one or two coaches, etc.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Well, Phillips just sniped the GWG right in front of Sutter's box late in the third period here at this Wranglers game ...

Sutter knows who Phillips is.

The guy who he let go to waivers.

Do you really think he said when a Phillips scored ”Who is this kid, I like the looks of him”.

[TheScorpion]

Of course. It was just an observation. Sutter has watched every Wranglers game this season from a box at the one end of the rink.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Of course. It was just an observation. Sutter has watched every Wranglers game this season from a box at the one end of the rink.

Phillips has to learn the same lesson St. Louis learned & most don’t.

Until he’s a defensively conscious safe player in the coaches eyes he won’t see a regular shift. Prove he’s not a liability, then expand his game as he builds more confidence & the trust reciprocates.

In doubt this happens here. Martin St. Louis chose to sign in Tampa because they were the bottom of the league & he saw opportunity. Phillips needs to go to a similar team where he can spread his wings & be given the opportunity to make then learn from mistakes.

[badradio]

Would Phillips or anyone that got called up have to pass through waivers again to be sent back down? And does that change if it’s an emergency call up?

[nieuwy-89]

Originally Posted by Ashes

Are we forgetting that none of the prospects stepped up in pre-season? Zary looked like the best of the bunch but he's still getting back into playing regular games in the AHL and higher up the lineup than last year, it won't be the end of the world if he joins the team later in the year. A spot on the big team has to be earned and not given I thought?

There's plenty of time for call-ups. Our contention window is supposed to be the next 3-4 years, if the prospects need this year to fully marinate then so be it. There's the other argument that putting prospects into the NHL too early is just a waste, whereas "over-ripening" in the AHL isn't really a problem at all. It's all about winning right now, I'd be looking to get the lines stabilized and the structure fine-tuned before looking for a spark from a prospect that isn't kicking the door down.

Road-trip is so badly needed right now.

100% agree. Not only did the kids #### the bed in camp and pre-season, they got smoked at the Prospects Tournament in Penticton. None of them stepped up to earn a spot. (Yes I’m still bitter about traveling there to watch 3 losses in a row to our rivals)

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

My worry is Coronato won't sign now because of being blocked by stars like Lewis and Ritchie. Everyone will blame picking him because he is in the NCAA and American, but we don't give anyone a legitimate shot on the roster.

He won’t even sign until next year. And those guys aren’t for sure even here next year.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by nieuwy-89

100% agree. Not only did the kids #### the bed in camp and pre-season, they got smoked at the Prospects Tournament in Penticton. None of them stepped up to earn a spot. (Yes I’m still bitter about traveling there to watch 3 losses in a row to our rivals)

But that drive is unreal. Eh

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Thank you for saying this. Love the guy, but let's keep what he brings in perspective.

If Lucic is playing a lot of minutes, that simply puts more pressure on others for production. Because it's not coming from him.

I don't think Sutter (or anyone) moves Lucic up the roster thinking he's going to fill the net.

The Flames came into camp a top nine forward short and they still are.

They didn't see a prospect grab it, Milano didn't grab it. They've been trying to find a complimentary player ever since.

Lucic doesn't need to produce as much as he needs to supplement what two more skilled players are doing so they can do their thing. Lewis was providing the defensive conscious but it's great with the puck, Lucic has looked better with the puck and on the forecheck this year.

But nobody is moving Lucic up the roster with an eye on the player filling the net.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

It's not that the 4th liners are playing poorly - they aren't, they've all been good - it's that they are getting too much ice time. Two problems with that:

1) the 4th liners getting a lot of ice time, will lead to a team that plays a low creativity, grinding game.

2) the top 6 guys aren't getting enough ice time to get rolling.

IMO, pointing out that Ritchie and Lewis have been good, and are among the leaders in points, is completely missing the issue, which is that they shouldn't be getting enough ice time for that to happen.

I think Lewis is getting top nine ice time (or was) and yeah that's the issue, it's the gap they had coming into camp, it's the gap that still exists.

But Ritchie has produced from his 4th line spot not by being pushed up the roster.

Though couldn't for the life of me understand why he got powerplay minutes against Nashville. yikes.

[GranteedEV]

The amount of priority that is given to preseason is what amazes me. Preseason hockey is disorganized, sloppy, rusty, and prospects rarely get the chance to emulate their actual NHL slotting in these games.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The amount of priority that is given to preseason is what amazes me. Preseason hockey is disorganized, sloppy, rusty, and prospects rarely get the chance to emulate their actual NHL slotting in these games.

Yeah I think the vet quota has destroyed the preseason.

You now get PTOs filling spots with prospects, and the actual pros playing the next night at home.

No chance to gel with guys that will actually make your team.

But I think if a player dominated the Penticton tournament he'd get better standing at main camp. We didn't see that this year at all.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Boreal

In doubt this happens here. Martin St. Louis chose to sign in Tampa because they were the bottom of the league & he saw opportunity. Phillips needs to go to a similar team where he can spread his wings & be given the opportunity to make then learn from mistakes.

That’s the issue here. The Flames have been in win now mode since 2004, even with mediocre non-playoff teams. There is no slack for allowing young players to develop. I get the ‘earn it’ mantra but I think if you have a player with obvious talent and potential sometimes you need to take a chance on them and help them grow. A few pre-season games is not sufficient.