11-04-2022, 12:27 PM
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#21
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11-04-2022, 12:29 PM
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#22
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
This one always is a tough one to me.
I don't think anybody should have life opportunities taken away for something that happened in middle school, kids make mistakes at that age and I'd be lying if I said I never bullied anyone when I was 14. (Although what he did goes beyond just "bullying" he was still just a kid in middle school).
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That last bit is the important one.
I never did anything as a kid remotely close to this:
"Miller and a classmate were found guilty of forcing a developmentally disabled black classmate to eat a piece of candy that had been wiped inside a urinal, repeatedly bullied the victim, including kicking and punching him, and repeatedly calling the victim the N-word."
So eff him. Being a pro hockey player is a million to 1 shot. Being an NHL player even slimmer.
I don't see why he should be one of the lucky few to get that shot.
Eff him. Ban him from pro hockey for the rest of his life.
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11-04-2022, 12:30 PM
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#23
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Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
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Based on the article posted, yes they did.
But hey, you probably know more than what Sweeney, Neely and the Bruins did by reading twitter.
This is exactly my point.
One strike you are out.
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It's only game. Why you heff to be mad?
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11-04-2022, 12:31 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
Based on the article posted, yes they did.
But hey, you probably know more than what Sweeney, Neely and the Bruins did by reading twitter.
This is exactly my point.
One strike you are out.
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If this is the type of strike then yes. You are out. At least in terms of having the opportunity to play in the NHL. He can find something else to do for a career
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11-04-2022, 12:32 PM
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#25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
If this is the type of strike then yes. You are out. At least in terms of having the opportunity to play in the NHL.
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And killing someone is ok?
Where is the line? Who decides? What does appropriate rehabilitation look like?
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11-04-2022, 12:41 PM
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#26
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
And killing someone is ok?
Where is the line? Who decides? What does appropriate rehabilitation look like?
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This guy doesn’t understand the difference between an awful lapse of judgement with horrific consequences, vs a decade of intentional sociopathic racist behaviour with no remorse or reflection.
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11-04-2022, 12:53 PM
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#27
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Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
If this is the type of strike then yes. You are out. At least in terms of having the opportunity to play in the NHL. He can find something else to do for a career
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He was between 8 and 14 years old when it happened.
Saying his dreams are over won't help rehabilitate him, it will just radicalize him and make him even more hateful.
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11-04-2022, 01:00 PM
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#28
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Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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the lack of remorse part is key IMO. It'd be a completely different situation if he had generally shown honest remorse and empathy towards the victim, but as per the victim's family, that hasn't happened. And to me, that whole "he was a kid" thing flies out of the window if he can't apologize for it as an adult.
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11-04-2022, 01:03 PM
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#29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by devo22
the lack of remorse part is key IMO. It'd be a completely different situation if he had generally shown honest remorse and empathy towards the victim, but as per the victim's family, that hasn't happened. And to me, that whole "he was a kid" thing flies out of the window if he can't apologize for it as an adult.
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Sounds like he’s an idiot. Even if he has no remorse how has he not figured out at least making it look like you do would be a huge step to getting back towards your dream.
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11-04-2022, 01:09 PM
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#30
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Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
Based on the article posted, yes they did.
But hey, you probably know more than what Sweeney, Neely and the Bruins did by reading twitter.
This is exactly my point.
One strike you are out.
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Okay, settle down. There's no need for the silly potshots. That doesn't help a discussion at all.
Frank Seravalli isn't some basement blogger, he has connections and is well known in hockey circles. If what he is posting is true then there is a good chance the Bruins have lied about their due diligence in this case.
As for your last sentence, if he has not shown remorse or apologized to all the parties involved then yes, one strike and you are out imo.
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11-04-2022, 01:10 PM
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#31
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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This kid doesn’t deserve to be signed to a NHL contract. He can go work and do something else while trying to have a normal life or go to Europe if they will have him but he should be no where near the NHL.
NHL players should be role models as community involvement and positive messaging are keys for the young demographic. Miller was a vicious bully of a very vulnerable individual and has seemingly only “apologized” and “reformed” because his disgusting act look to cost him his dream that so few get to live out in their lives.
Very bad look for Boston right now
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11-04-2022, 01:17 PM
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#32
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
He was between 8 and 14 years old when it happened.
Saying his dreams are over won't help rehabilitate him, it will just radicalize him and make him even more hateful.
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So the answer is to simply excuse the behaviour of someone who has shown no remorse or accountability for what he has done.
It's all on him.
I think most people on this thread who want to ban him for life is based mostly on his lack of remorse and accountabilty, not on what he did as a teenager.
He needs to show he has learned from this. The rehabilitation should have already started.
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11-04-2022, 01:19 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
He was between 8 and 14 years old when it happened.
Saying his dreams are over won't help rehabilitate him, it will just radicalize him and make him even more hateful.
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Why are we so worried about what happens to him?
Eff him.
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11-04-2022, 01:22 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kobasew19
I would say show some true remorse first before proceeding with your privileged life. People like him should be in jail to rehabilitate before integrating back into society.
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unrelated to Mitchell but I'm not sure that's actually what prisons do.
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11-04-2022, 01:23 PM
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#35
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Why are we so worried about what happens to him?
Eff him.
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Given your posts, you seem to care a lot.
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11-04-2022, 01:25 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cannon7
Given your posts, you seem to care a lot.
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Quality contribution.
Clearly I care about the situation and the ramifications of it, not him as a human being.
But again, great contribution to the discussion. top drawer.
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11-04-2022, 01:26 PM
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#38
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
And killing someone is ok?
Where is the line? Who decides? What does appropriate rehabilitation look like?
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Depends how good you are at playing hockey really
If Bettman and Katz found out today that McDavid was a murderer, but only they knew... what do you think would come of that?
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11-04-2022, 01:28 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: still in edmonton
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There is an interesting discussion on what restorative justice looks too.
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11-04-2022, 01:30 PM
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#40
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kobasew19
People like him should be in jail to rehabilitate before integrating back into society.
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He went to juvenile hall. That is jail for children.
And jail is typically punitive, not rehabilitative.
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