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11-04-2022, 11:29 AM
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Reading through the article, it's clear that Miller, while apologizing for the "bullying" incident that happened in the 8th grade, fails to understand that it was more about racism than bullying. Actually both. It was a horrible incident.
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11-04-2022, 11:43 AM
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#3
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Can't believe the Bruins are signing this PoS.
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11-04-2022, 11:45 AM
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This one always is a tough one to me.
I don't think anybody should have life opportunities taken away for something that happened in middle school, kids make mistakes at that age and I'd be lying if I said I never bullied anyone when I was 14. (Although what he did goes beyond just "bullying" he was still just a kid in middle school).
But it also doesn't seem like he's really learned why what he did was wrong, and doesn't seem remorseful about it. The family on the other side is adamant he never actually apologized either.
I don't know...don't think it's crazy to give him a contract to be honest.
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11-04-2022, 11:46 AM
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something else haha
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For context on this guy:
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Miller was drafted by the Arizona Coyotes in the fourth round of the 2020 NHL Draft, but the Coyotes renounced the rights to the pick after reports resurfaced in the The Arizona Republic that in 2016 Miller and a classmate had been found delinquent in Ohio juvenile court for charges of assault and violating the Ohio Safe Schools act.
Miller and a classmate were found guilty of forcing a developmentally disabled black classmate to eat a piece of candy that had been wiped inside a urinal, repeatedly bullied the victim, including kicking and punching him, and repeatedly calling the victim the N-word.
Miller had committed to play at the University of North Dakota, but had his scholarship offer rescinded soon after the Coyotes renounced his draft rights. He didn’t play during the 2020-21 season, but returned to Tri-City for the 2021-22 USHL season.
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https://eprinkside.com/2022/11/04/bo...level-contract
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11-04-2022, 11:47 AM
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11-04-2022, 12:01 PM
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#7
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Originally Posted by kobasew19
Can't believe the Bruins are signing this PoS.
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So what then? He should end his life and society doesn't have to deal with him?
People deserve second chances for poor decisions made in their youth.
However, social media is now judge, jury and executioner.
One strike and you are out, done, finished, never to be heard from again.
What he did was reprehensible, disgusting and inexcusable. Nobody is saying any different. But does that act mean he forfeits the rest of his life and ability to make a living?
I think no.
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11-04-2022, 12:04 PM
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I don't think the piece of #### has actually ever apologized other than what he was forced to write:
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Isaiah's mother Joni, who claims Miller's bullying and abuse of her son Isaiah actually began all the way back in second grade, told The Athletic in August of 2021 that Isaiah and the family had still not received any kind of formal apology from the former Coyotes pick, aside from the the court-ordered one Miller was essentially forced to write after his conviction in 2016.
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https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nhl...011615380.html
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11-04-2022, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleK
So what then? He should end his life and society doesn't have to deal with him?
People deserve second chances for poor decisions made in their youth.
However, social media is now judge, jury and executioner.
One strike and you are out, done, finished, never to be heard from again.
What he did was reprehensible, disgusting and inexcusable. Nobody is saying any different. But does that act mean he forfeits the rest of his life and ability to make a living?
I think no.
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there's quite a few layers between "forfeit the rest of his life" and "not get an NHL contract". Getting to play in the NHL or even being a part of an NHL organization should be a privilege and it's fair to question whether a person who has done terrible things and shown little remorse deserves such an opportunity.
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11-04-2022, 12:12 PM
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All I can get
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An ELC is a fairly substantial commitment. Miller wasn't a high pick to begin with, and hasn't played much in the last few years, missing some key developmental time.
An ECHL/AHL deal maybe would have been a more cautious route.
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11-04-2022, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DoubleK
So what then? He should end his life and society doesn't have to deal with him?
People deserve second chances for poor decisions made in their youth.
However, social media is now judge, jury and executioner.
One strike and you are out, done, finished, never to be heard from again.
What he did was reprehensible, disgusting and inexcusable. Nobody is saying any different. But does that act mean he forfeits the rest of his life and ability to make a living?
I think no.
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I would say show some true remorse first before proceeding with your privileged life. People like him should be in jail to rehabilitate before integrating back into society.
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11-04-2022, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by devo22
there's quite a few layers between "forfeit the rest of his life" and "not get an NHL contract". Getting to play in the NHL or even being a part of an NHL organization should be a privilege and it's fair to question whether a person who has done terrible things and shown little remorse deserves such an opportunity.
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Craig MacTavish and Dany Heatley say hi.
Where's the line?
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11-04-2022, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kobasew19
I would say show some true remorse first before proceeding with your privileged life. People like him should be in jail to rehabilitate before integrating back into society.
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Losing a NCAA scholarship and being renounced as a NHL draft pick isn't punishment? He has to go to jail?
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11-04-2022, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
An ELC is a fairly substantial commitment. Miller wasn't a high pick to begin with, and hasn't played much in the last few years, missing some key developmental time.
An ECHL/AHL deal maybe would have been a more cautious route.
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Probably had interest from other clubs. You can’t tell me Edmonton wasn’t blowing his phone up
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11-04-2022, 12:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
An ELC is a fairly substantial commitment. Miller wasn't a high pick to begin with, and hasn't played much in the last few years, missing some key developmental time.
An ECHL/AHL deal maybe would have been a more cautious route.
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The fact it was an entry level deal and not the AHL/ECHL agreement you mentioned tells me that other teams were interested as well which is a sad statement about the league.
Sweeney's comments today are interesting. It sounds to me like Neely told him to sign the kid and he didn't want to.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1588579849802862595
They also look like they're trying to sweep it under the rug. The signing is not on their website and they didn't even use a photo of him, using a photo of their centre ice logo instead.
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11-04-2022, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kobasew19
I would say show some true remorse first before proceeding with your privileged life. People like him should be in jail to rehabilitate before integrating back into society.
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He should have to go to jail for bullying that is said to have taken place between Grade 2 and Grade 8?
It's despicable but c'mon this kid was between 8 and 14 years when this was said to have went down.
Bruins should put in him a rehabilitation program and have to do some work with kids with disabilities but we have to give some leeway to things that kids do when they are just kids.
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11-04-2022, 12:20 PM
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Montreal and Carolina breathing a sigh of relief that someone else is carrying the "bad moral choices" torch in the NHL now.
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11-04-2022, 12:21 PM
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#18
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Crash and Bang Winger
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If bullying began in the second grade I really question the parents morales of Mitchell Miller. It is tough to blame him for all the issues as it looks like he was raised poorly… does it make it right, no it doesn’t. I hope that this kid can learn and change though it may take some time if raised this way. It doesn’t sound like he made a single mistake this was purely being a terrible person and committing assault on the vulnerable, multiple times.
From a PR perspective it looks terrible but at the same time if he has served his time should he be continued to punished? I am not to sure on this answer as I do not know how I would feel if I was the parents of the kid being bullied.
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11-04-2022, 12:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
So what then? He should end his life and society doesn't have to deal with him?
People deserve second chances for poor decisions made in their youth.
However, social media is now judge, jury and executioner.
One strike and you are out, done, finished, never to be heard from again.
What he did was reprehensible, disgusting and inexcusable. Nobody is saying any different. But does that act mean he forfeits the rest of his life and ability to make a living?
I think no.
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Forfeit the rest of his life? That's extreme.
I think people want to see a person understand/comprehend what they've done and how it affected the victim(s), feel remorse, and genuinely apologize to all the people affected by his actions.
Until that happens he should not be signed to an NHL contract imo. Very poor judgement by the Bruins, I'm surprised they made such a terrible choice.
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11-04-2022, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
Forfeit the rest of his life? That's extreme.
I think people want to see a person understand/comprehend what they've done and how it affected the victim(s), feel remorse, and genuinely apologize to all the people affected by his actions.
Until that happens he should not be signed to an NHL contract imo. Very poor judgement by the Bruins, I'm surprised they made such a terrible choice.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/...-contract-nhl/
Looks like they did their DD.
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