Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Flames0910]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Looking at the piece and thinking back to that time I don't necessarily think this is as extreme as it is made out to be in the Twitter post. I graduated high school in 2000 and computer literacy was really at a very early stage. At that time there wasn't much commercially available software that was easy to use and beneficial to young elementary school kids that would help with early learning. Based on that the argument that computers are not needed is pretty reasonable. Obviously the progression of technology and literacy exploded in the 2000s and the landscape was quite a bit different just a few years after this opinion piece was printed.

IDK about that. I learned how to type properly pre-2000 in elementary school in Manitoba. We had a full classroom converted to a computer lab and 1 hour computer class every week. It was mostly typing and encarta encylopedia disks lol.

I look around at all the people my age who still hunt and peck and am thankful that my small town school was forward looking enough and had the budget to teach us that skill.

[b1crunch]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Looking at the piece and thinking back to that time I don't necessarily think this is as extreme as it is made out to be in the Twitter post. I graduated high school in 2000 and computer literacy was really at a very early stage. At that time there wasn't much commercially available software that was easy to use and beneficial to young elementary school kids that would help with early learning. Based on that the argument that computers are not needed is pretty reasonable. Obviously the progression of technology and literacy exploded in the 2000s and the landscape was quite a bit different just a few years after this opinion piece was printed.

I graduated in 2000 as well. I used computers in my Alberta classrooms right from about grade 3 or 4 up until I graduated. Obviously we didn't use them everyday and we had a designated "computer lab" back in those days, but we definitely used them. To think I was using computers in the late 80s or early 90s in elementary school but she didn't think kids would need them a decade later in the early 2000s is laughable.

It was obvious to me as a high school student in the late 90s that the world was moving towards a computer/digital environment. She should have been able to see that in 2000.

I understand her perspective, and can see her points (which are the same points people make now about cell phones in the classroom) but she was still wrong. Not that it matters much now, because its over 20 years ago. But I guess it shows her lack of judgment and ability to see even the very near future were lacking even then.

[Macman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The #### are you on about? I didn't get huffy, I provided the source. Read it with your own ####ing eyeballs. Damn, man. Figure out how links work.

Also, you slandered me earlier and still have the post up, despite me asking you to provide some evidence of it. If you can't find where I claimed Daniele Smith should be at home pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen, I'd ask you rewove it, or I'll have the mods do it for you. An apology would be nice, too.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...postcount=2394

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...postcount=2419

You said it and if I have the time I’ll go through your posts and find it, you do post a lot. You said and I quote “Smith should move to rural AB, Drumheller and open a gift shop”, that’s a very derogatory comment in the context, a political thread, to say about a woman.

[Flames0910]

I understand her perspective, and can see her points (which are the same points people make now about cell phones in the classroom) but she was still wrong. Not that it matters much now, because its over 20 years ago. But I guess it shows her lack of judgment and ability to see even the very near future were lacking even then.

Imagine if she had her way though. Imagine if she was successful in removing computers from Alberta schools. How ####ed would those kids be in today's world? Sure the nerds and the rich kids might have got computers from their parents, but remember how expensive computers were? Not everybody could afford one.

I think we can all plainly see that her judgement hasn't improved -- and yet she holds all the cards now.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Macman

You said it and if I have the time I’ll go through your posts and find it, you do post a lot. You said and I quote “Smith should move to rural AB, Drumheller and open a gift shop”, that’s a very derogatory comment in the context, a political thread, to say about a woman.

In other words, this post...

Originally Posted by Macman

Well the poster who thanked your post said she should be buried alive and that she (Smith) should be at home barefoot and pregnant in her kitchen.

... is a bald-faced lie, and you should remove or at the very least change it.

[Macman]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

In other words, this post...... is a bald-faced lie, and you should remove or at the very least change it.

Nah, it’s the same thing. Especially since Fuzz does that on here daily, go up a few posts just today they compared social conservatives to slave owners.

[TorqueDog]

It isn't, and Danielle Smith is barely qualified to run a gift shop, so if anything, he was being generous.

She's an imbecile. There's a lot of imbeciles in the UCP, she just happens to be the one 54% of them picked to be the lead imbecile.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Looking at the piece and thinking back to that time I don't necessarily think this is as extreme as it is made out to be in the Twitter post. I graduated high school in 2000 and computer literacy was really at a very early stage. At that time there wasn't much commercially available software that was easy to use and beneficial to young elementary school kids that would help with early learning. Based on that the argument that computers are not needed is pretty reasonable. Obviously the progression of technology and literacy exploded in the 2000s and the landscape was quite a bit different just a few years after this opinion piece was printed.

We had computer labs in my rural AB school in 1995, and computing courses were ubiquitous by 1997. The Y2K event is a fantastic reference illustrating the presence and dependence of computer technology in the 90s.

Only a dinosaur that was trying to prevent itself from going extinct would have thought the technology and the Internet weren't going to be a complete game changer in education.

[b1crunch]

Originally Posted by Macman

Nah, it’s the same thing. Especially since Fuzz does that on here daily, go up a few posts just today they compared social conservatives to slave owners.

I'm sorry but you're struggling with reading comprehension.

Besides you havn't been posting anything of substance (you know, about Alberta politics) in this thread for your last many posts. Instead you've been focused on Fuzz.

How about you argue against what Fuzz is saying by presenting your own opinions and ideas about topics related to Alberta politics instead of just attacking him?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Macman

You said it and if I have the time I’ll go through your posts and find it, you do post a lot. You said and I quote “Smith should move to rural AB, Drumheller and open a gift shop”, that’s a very derogatory comment in the context, a political thread, to say about a woman.

That's not misogynistic, you dumb ####. You don't just get to change every word in a sentence and attribute it to someone else. Maybe I should call a lawyer and have them get in touch, I hear that's a thing people like to threaten to do around here. And now I have to waste my time and the mods to report you.

[Macman]

It’s hard to post anything of substance in here with a #### flinger like fuzz. But carry on with Smith is dumb, she’s the premier.

Also I didn’t see you (B1) say anything when fuzz started a thread saying all religeous people are pedophiles and terrorists. Seems you’re being very selective about what you choose to comment on and who to attack.

[b1crunch]

Originally Posted by Macman

It’s hard to post anything of substance in here with a #### flinger like fuzz. But carry on with Smith is dumb, she’s the premier.

So you have no counter arguments to prove the Premier is intelligent?

Fuzz is one person on a Flames forum. lol

You're going to let that stop you from posting what you feel about a given topic? You're not going to like the rest of the internet, with that attitude.

[Macman]

N/m

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by b1crunch

I graduated in 2000 as well. I used computers in my Alberta classrooms right from about grade 3 or 4 up until I graduated. Obviously we didn't use them everyday and we had a designated "computer lab" back in those days, but we definitely used them. To think I was using computers in the late 80s or early 90s in elementary school but she didn't think kids would need them a decade later in the early 2000s is laughable.

It was obvious to me as a high school student in the late 90s that the world was moving towards a computer/digital environment. She should have been able to see that in 2000.

I understand her perspective, and can see her points (which are the same points people make now about cell phones in the classroom) but she was still wrong. Not that it matters much now, because its over 20 years ago. But I guess it shows her lack of judgment and ability to see even the very near future were lacking even then.

I grew up in the hood and definitely did not see a computer until Junior High and at that time I'd be surprised if we had an hour a week of typing class on the old Macintosh II. In high school computers were a luxury and we had computers labs but they were very under utilized and at that time no one really saw the potential or the future of technology. There was still a lot of old school mentality in terms of how workplaces would function and adopt technology.

You were obviously ahead of the curve growing up because I did not see or experience the potential of the computer in high school. It was a fun tool that allowed us to play some games and message back and forth with friends and maybe download some free tunes from Napster if you were so lucky. It wasn't until University where I truly started to learn about the productivity potential when it came to doing research, work and modeling things.

[b1crunch]

Originally Posted by Macman

It’s hard to post anything of substance in here with a #### flinger like fuzz. But carry on with Smith is dumb, she’s the premier.

Also I didn’t see you (B1) say anything when fuzz started a thread saying all religeous people are pedophiles and terrorists. Seems you’re being very selective about what you choose to comment on and who to attack.

Wasn't aware that I had to have an opinion on every topic on here. I don't post in the vast majority of threads on here and stick pretty close to the politics ones.

But go ahead and focus on me now instead, if that's what makes you happy.

I also don't post in the "General Automotive" thread or the "Ukraine War" thread. Want to get mad at me for those too?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Macman

It’s hard to post anything of substance in here with a #### flinger like fuzz. But carry on with Smith is dumb, she’s the premier.

Also I didn’t see you (B1) say anything when fuzz started a thread saying all religeous people are pedophiles and terrorists. Seems you’re being very selective about what you choose to comment on and who to attack.

Well this explains it, you are actually functionally illiterate. It all makes sense now. No wonder trash zones like Rebel Media are able to extract so much money out of people like you, you don't actually understand what words mean.

This is also slander. Remove it.

[b1crunch]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I grew up in the hood and definitely did not see a computer until Junior High and at that time I'd be surprised if we had an hour a week of typing class on the old Macintosh II. In high school computers were a luxury and we had computers labs but they were very under utilized and at that time no one really saw the potential or the future of technology. There was still a lot of old school mentality in terms of how workplaces would function and adopt technology.

You were obviously ahead of the curve growing up because I did not see or experience the potential of the computer in high school. It was a fun tool that allowed us to play some games and message back and forth with friends and maybe download some free tunes from Napster if you were so lucky. It wasn't until University where I truly started to learn about the productivity potential when it came to doing research, work and modeling things.

I went to elementary in North East Calgary (Temple), and we used computers to type on, play games, etc. Then my family moved to Edmonton (E=NG) for Junior High and High School. I used computers there for lots of stuff. We learned to make websites, used software to format our own brochures, magazine articles, image editing, etc. I was making my own websites by the time I was in grade 12 and it was something I learned in school. I look back fondly on these skills, as they helped set me up for what I still do today.

Definitely sounds like I had more exposure to computers at school than you. It was a positive as well, because my family couldn't afford a PC at home until I was in high school, so all of my computer exposure was at school until I was about 17.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I grew up in the hood and definitely did not see a computer until Junior High and at that time I'd be surprised if we had an hour a week of typing class on the old Macintosh II. In high school computers were a luxury and we had computers labs but they were very under utilized and at that time no one really saw the potential or the future of technology. There was still a lot of old school mentality in terms of how workplaces would function and adopt technology.

You were obviously ahead of the curve growing up because I did not see or experience the potential of the computer in high school. It was a fun tool that allowed us to play some games and message back and forth with friends and maybe download some free tunes from Napster if you were so lucky. It wasn't until University where I truly started to learn about the productivity potential when it came to doing research, work and modeling things.

Is that not the problem though, one that Smith perpetuated in her article? I was using computers in school in 1991. We learned the usually word processing, but also BASIC programming, and had a machine to learn Hypercard. I attribute those early days programming to the skills I have now. We did have a very enthusiastic computer class teacher though, so that was a big help. More teachers like that, fewer reading Smith's column would have been better.

[nik-]

Is this Macman even a real person or is it a Rebel Media generated AI poster here to drag the forum into the pits of intellectual deficiency?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by b1crunch

I went to elementary in North East Calgary (Temple), and we used computers to type on, play games, etc. Then my family moved to Edmonton (E=NG) for Junior High and High School. I used computers there for lots of stuff. We learned to make websites, used software to format our own brochures, magazine articles, image editing, etc. I was making my own websites by the time I was in grade 12 and it was something I learned in school. I look back fondly on these skills, as they helped set me up for what I still do today.

Definitely sounds like I had more exposure to computers at school than you. It was a positive as well, because my family couldn't afford a PC at home until I was in high school, so all of my computer exposure was at school until I was about 17.

That was definitely way more exposure than we had in Junior High and High School. Junior High was very basic stuff on old Macs and it was just limited to firing up the machine, inserting a floppy and running the typing or math game. High School was still basic typing and some research skills like searching the internet or digital encyclopedias. We had no exposure to coding/development, websites, etc or even to basic things like Excel and PowerPoint. There was the occasional project or report that a teacher would request be submitted typed out so that we were forced to spend some time on the computers but my experience is way different from yours. I actually probably would have been interesting in learning some development stuff if it was available to me but I became pretty scared of that stuff. It wasn't until I started working and exploring VBA and Macros in order to speed things up that I saw what I had missed out on over the years.