[Trade] Tkachuk (8 yrs x $9.5 mil) + `25 4th to FLA for Huberdeau, Weegar, Schwindt & `25 1st

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Well it's sorta good news because long term they need him in the lineup every night, but short term it's gonna suck.

I hope they can score because it's going to be a lot of 6-5 games.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'd disagree with this last bit. Tkachuk gave the Flames clear notice of his intentions at a time when they could do something constructive about it. Gaudreau didn't.

It is highly unprofessional to go on negotiating terms until the eleventh hour, and then suddenly decide you have no interest in making a deal on any terms.

Tkachuk HAD to involve the Flames if he wanted to cash in on his career year AND dictate where he ended up.

This narrative that he was doing the Flames a favor is BS. We’re just lucky Treliving was able to swing such a good deal

[bax]

Gaudreau could have told the Flames he was leaving before the trade deadline and it wouldn’t have changed anything. They would have kept him for a playoff run.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by bax

Tkachuk HAD to involve the Flames if he wanted to cash in on his career year AND dictate where he ended up.

This narrative that he was doing the Flames a favor is BS. We’re just lucky Treliving was able to swing such a good deal

Tkachuk wanted an 8 year deal, just not with the Flames.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Did Calgary give a damn about Monny? No, and I'm not saying they should, but it's a two way street.

Did they really do Mony wrong though?
In a contract year he's way better off on MTL where he can get his career back on track with lots of opportunity, icetime and powerplay time. He'll also probably see less physical wear and tear in MTL this year than he would have seen here. Getting traded to MTL was a good thing for him at this point in his career I'd say.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bax

Tkachuk HAD to involve the Flames if he wanted to cash in on his career year AND dictate where he ended up.

This narrative that he was doing the Flames a favor is BS. We’re just lucky Treliving was able to swing such a good deal

Tkachuk wasn't doing anybody a favour. But he knew what he wanted to do, he told the people he needed to tell, and he got what he wanted. Gaudreau didn't know what he wanted to do, he didn't tell anybody, not even his agent, and he got a smaller contract from a worse team.

One professional, one pair of clown shoes.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by bax

Gaudreau could have told the Flames he was leaving before the trade deadline and it wouldn’t have changed anything. They would have kept him for a playoff run.

They would have at least moved his rights at the draft for some kind of draft pick in that case

[Kasi]

Ouch Ekblad is on long term IR so that leaves Florida pretty light on defence.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Kasi

Ouch Ekblad is on long term IR so that leaves Florida pretty light on defence.

Marc Staal, Forsling, Gudas, and a bunch of scrubs. That's outrageously bad. Forsling might be the only player in that group that would make the Flames roster.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Tkachuk wasn't doing anybody a favour. But he knew what he wanted to do, he told the people he needed to tell, and he got what he wanted. Gaudreau didn't know what he wanted to do, he didn't tell anybody, not even his agent, and he got a smaller contract from a worse team.

One professional, one pair of clown shoes.

One is a situation where a guy was actually making a tough 50/50 decision that he really couldn't decide on. I bet there are times right now where Gaudreau questions/regrets the decision.

Tkachuk on the other hand couldn't get out of here fast enough, and this was just the best way for him to do that and still get paid. I had heard that the rumors that Tkachuk had indicated he'd welcome a trade in the 20-21 offseason were true, but the Flames weren't willing to sell low on him after the poor 20-21 season, which is what got to this point.

For all the blame being placed on Gaudreau the thing I always come back to is it's not like the team gave him a deadline either. Gaudreau gets all the blame for not making his decision before free agency, when really it should have been the Flames (Either prior to the season, or prior to the draft) that said "If we don't sign by x date then we have to look at other options"

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Or one is a situation where a guy was actually making a tough 50/50 decision that he really couldn't decide on.

I bet you the decision is still eating at Johnny right now.

Tkachuk on the other hand couldn't get out of here fast enough, and this was just the best way for him to do that and still get paid.

It's funny how the guy that was torn ended up hurting Calgary (arguably) more than the guy who just decided to leave (probably 3 years ago).

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's funny how the guy that was torn ended up hurting Calgary (arguably) more than the guy who just decided to leave (probably 3 years ago).

I do think we look at this with incomplete information.

We don't know what the offers for Gaudreau were in the 2021 offseason coming off a poor season.

We don't know if any teams actually inquired to get his rights before free agency (based on him signing in Columbus for cheaper my guess is no).

Who knows how much it actually hurts us in the end.

Gaudreau walking for nothing is what allows the Tkachuk trade to happen too. We can't fit Huberdeau and Weegar without the cap space that both Gaudreau and Tkachuk leaving opened up.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

They would have at least moved his rights at the draft for some kind of draft pick in that case

The idea of being able to move Gaudreau's rights to a team at the draft didn't mean anything to me in the grand scheme of Gaudreau's exit.

If they weren't a playoff team I would have wanted them to move him at the deadline for a decent haul. But once he made it to the end all I cared about was either him signing with us or not.

There were things I didn't like about watching the Gaudreau exit go down, missing out on a 4th round pick for whatever if one team even thought they had enough chance to waste a pick doesn't matter to me at all.

[Bingo]

I'm never going to tell anyone they shouldn't discuss a certain topic. Not my business what drives fan passion.

But I personally can't believe we are still rehashing the Gaudreau (specifically) and Tkachuk exits.

I'm moved on. Like the new team. Interested to see how the ex players are doing, and somewhat rooting for losses to make the trade specifically even better ... but other than that I just don't care.

Front of the jersey, not the back.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm never going to tell anyone they shouldn't discuss a certain topic. Not my business what drives fan passion.

But I personally can't believe we are still rehashing the Gaudreau (specifically) and Tkachuk exits.

I'm moved on. Like the new team. Interested to see how the ex players are doing, and somewhat rooting for losses to make the trade specifically even better ... but other than that I just don't care.

Front of the jersey, not the back.

I don't know, for me I just discuss whatever's being discussed and don't feel emotionally attached to the discussion, maybe that's the disconnect between those that want to move on and those that don't?

By that I mean if others are still discussing it, I read it, I may jump in with a post here and there. But on my end that doesn't mean I'm hung up on it or not able to move on. I moved on as soon as we got 2 star players for Tkachuck and then added another star free agent.

But it's a discussion board, if it comes up I'll read it and maybe respond, but wouldn't be upset or annoyed that people are still discussing it. There's tons of space for threads and discussion here.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do think we look at this with incomplete information.

We don't know what the offers for Gaudreau were in the 2021 offseason coming off a poor season.

We don't know if any teams actually inquired to get his rights before free agency (based on him signing in Columbus for cheaper my guess is no).

Who knows how much it actually hurts us in the end.

Gaudreau walking for nothing is what allows the Tkachuk trade to happen too. We can't fit Huberdeau and Weegar without the cap space that both Gaudreau and Tkachuk leaving opened up.

Well we could have just no Kadri.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Well we could have just no Kadri.

After seeing the new look flames, their attitude, how mature they are and how they want to collectively win… no we couldn’t have just no Kadri he’s becoming my fav acquisition of the bunch!

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

After seeing the new look flames, their attitude, how mature they are and how they want to collectively win… no we couldn’t have just no Kadri he’s becoming my fav acquisition of the bunch!

Yea he is quickly winning me over as well!

[mennoknight]

Originally Posted by blankall

Marc Staal, Forsling, Gudas, and a bunch of scrubs. That's outrageously bad. Forsling might be the only player in that group that would make the Flames roster.

hey, Marc Staal is also a scrub

[Enoch Root]

Kadri is a great player, and his attitude is fantastic.

But it's more than that - he is also EXACTLY what the team needed positionally. He has elevated the 2nd line, both offensively and defensively, while pushing Backlund to the 3rd line where he is doing the same thing for that line.

Kadri is the perfect fit for what this team needed.

With Huderdeau and Kadri, the forward group is as good, or better than last year. And Weegar elevates our D core to elite.