Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

Fair point.

Like it or not she was elected to be the leader of the party who was elected to govern the province.

Anyone could buy a UCP membership and vote in that leadership race.

So you believe you should have to pay money to vote?

Seems like a “globalist elite” thing to say, doesn’t it?

[14Roman14]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Nice strawman. Any data or polls or anything to back this up? I remember there being a lot of support for some kind of registration not 99% saying it will never happen. It could be my own bubble and bias but some evidence to back this up is nice.

You are right, I apologize for throwing the made up 99 percent number out there.

I don’t have anything to back it up and don’t expect anyone to believe me or defend if they don’t want to.

I do remember though posting on multiple forums that governments were pushing for it and being told by a slough of people that it was conspiracy, misinformation and dangerous to say things like that and it would create unnecessary fear against the government.

[Muta]

I loved the vax passes. It kept the angry unvaccinated out of my favourite places and made me feel way safe and, literally, healthy.

[14Roman14]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

So you believe you should have to pay money to vote?

Seems like a “globalist elite” thing to say, doesn’t it?

No I do not. However, please point me to a party that allows one to vote on an internal election without a paid membership?

I could understand if memberships to these parties cost 100, 200, 500, or 1000 dollars, but most of them are 10 bucks which in my mind is worth it to have a vote.

A beer at the flames games is more than a membership I believe.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

You are right, I apologize for throwing the made up 99 percent number out there.

I don’t have anything to back it up and don’t expect anyone to believe me or defend if they don’t want to.

I do remember though posting on multiple forums that governments were pushing for it and being told by a slough of people that it was conspiracy, misinformation and dangerous to say things like that and it would create unnecessary fear against the government.

You seem easily susceptible to misinformation from unverified sources and rapid tiny soundbytes. As I mentioned before, I highly advise you to put on your private eye hat and ensure you understand the media you intake and share. Even that Klaus Schwab YouTube clip, do you know the context of the question asked? The context of the conversation? The audience? The forum? The topic? The date when it happened? Was there important context before or after that clip?

Get all of your cards on the table before jumping to conclusions, which is a common symptom of those who are easily influenced by those trading in disinformation for agenda-driven purposes.

Also, use things like Bot Sentinel to flag accounts and be judicial of the middleman. People like W. Bret Wilson, Theo Fleury and Jamie Sale should not be relied on for objective, fact-based reporting or informed opinions.

[BlackArcher101]

The right wants to denounce the WEF and ban government members from attending, all because they think they have infiltrated our government and are influencing (or somehow controlling?) policy.

Ok then.... sure thing, then it's only fair to do the same for other groups that influence our government, such as the International Democrat Union, think tanks like Manning Institute or Fraser Institute, and lobbyists.

It's not the people that are rejecting the premise of the WEF that should wake up, but those who believe the WEF is in control of our government should look at the reality of who is in fact influencing our policies the most.

[BlindMilwaukee]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

No I do not. However, please point me to a party that allows one to vote on an internal election without a paid membership?

I could understand if memberships to these parties cost 100, 200, 500, or 1000 dollars, but most of them are 10 bucks which in my mind is worth it to have a vote.

A beer at the flames games is more than a membership I believe.

I know it's been said before, but most people are of the of the opinion that you shouldn't have to:

- Pay to participate in democracy

- Give any amount of money to a party you don't share beliefs with to cast a vote for that party leader

That seems simple enough to understand regardless of which party a person supports.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

You used a perfect word to describe the article. They “mock” the video.



If there was truth to it being a little more involvement than going to Davos to get connections and eating 50 buck burritos I’d want it downplayed too. If I was getting funding to be a “trusted source” I too would write an article saying how it doesn’t mean anything and that they were just there for a holiday and have no further involvement.



Again, I’m not saying it’s 100 percent guaranteed happening or not happening. If it is, some of the decisions being made like putting us into gargantuan amounts of debt, attacking the oil sands and the prosperity it brings, and multiple wealth transfers from tax payers to elites line up with ways they want more control.



A written article from the National Post with the mocking opinion that it is untrue does not make it untrue. No more than a written article of opinion from any other news source stating it is happening.



To me, politicians denouncing any influence is a good start, followed by decisions that would seem to not line up with any WEF philosophy and benefit all Canadians/Albertans.



I will not argue this to the death, but you again saying it is dumb does not make it untrue or unsaid or conspiracy.



I will ask you an honest question though. When people started floating the idea that governments would implement vax passes and 99 percent of the people said, “that will never happen, that’s conspiracy and misinformation”, were you part of the 1 percent?

My dude here being wishy-washy yet expects us to be 100% certain about our positions.

14 Roman, why did you bring forth something that you yourself aren't 100% sure on?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

Thank you for the laugh. You may be right. Haha. Nonetheless, love Ron Burgandy and that extremely politically incorrect movie that would likely never be allowed to be made today as humor has become offensive.

No, it's not.

Also, humour hasn't become offensive.

That a ridiculous statement

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Muta

I loved the vax passes. It kept the angry unvaccinated out of my favourite places and made me feel way safe and, literally, healthy.

Vaccination was definitely the way to go. However, making you feel safe was an illusion (as the vaccination past Delta did not alter transmission) and didn't effect your health at all. It was 100% a play to protect the health system.

The persistence of the idea that the unvaccinated were somehow more likely to transmit is probably the primary fuel for the longevity of the anti-vax movement, now. The unvaxxed were more likely to be hospitalized.

Now, with the progression of omicron, the chance of strong negative reaction to covid has gone down dramatically, and the animosity between vaxxed and unvaxxed just needs to stop. Screw Smith for maintaining this rift.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

Fair point.

Like it or not she was elected to be the leader of the party who was elected to govern the province.

Anyone could buy a UCP membership and vote in that leadership race.

Very democratic. Asking people to pay to play in a party leadership vote with a history of fraud and corruption. Do you listen to yourself?

[14Roman14]

Originally Posted by Izzle

My dude here being wishy-washy yet expects us to be 100% certain about our positions.

14 Roman, why did you bring forth something that you yourself aren't 100% sure on?

I simply questioned another poster why he was so 100 percent certain it wasn’t happening. Also why it was ok to label another respected community member he spoke about it as a conspiracy theorist if he couldn’t debunk with 100 percent certainty. I also gave said poster the out of they preferred not discussing it, which they did and I’m ok with.

Now I know there are many topics like this and I don’t expect everyone to agree but it just seems now that if people see something they don’t like, it’s too easy to pass off as conspiracy theory, or dangerous misinformation without giving anything a second thought.

Some of it may be, some of it may not be. Different news sources are going to report on some things but not others and put their angle on it. But to completely discredit someone and label it without doing any due diligence to see if there is possibly any truth to it, is also dangerous in my mind.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

I will not argue this to the death, but you again saying it is dumb does not make it untrue or unsaid or conspiracy.

I will ask you an honest question though. When people started floating the idea that governments would implement vax passes and 99 percent of the people said, “that will never happen, that’s conspiracy and misinformation”, were you part of the 1 percent?

Correct. When I say it’s dumb, it doesn’t make it untrue or conspiracy. I am saying it’s dumb because it’s untrue and a conspiracy. Very important difference there.

And your question isn’t honest because you’ve made up the premise. People (on this very board) were talking about immunity/vaccination passports as early as May 2020, not as “the government won’t do this” but as “they likely will and should do this.” There was never a situation where 99% of people said it would never happen (outside of your anti-vaxx bubble, I guess). So, if you want to ask an honest question, ask one. If you want to peddle more lies and misinformation, ai’ll just keep calling you out on it.

I’ll also ask you an honest question, this you?

And in a year if this vaccine starts causing harm to those who took it and weighs down our amazing healthcare system worse than the symptoms of covid itself did, then what?

…

It already has more negative side effects than all other vaccines combined in the last 20 years like myocarditis, Bell’s palsy, paralysis, rashes, and death. And we won’t know the long term effects for years.

…

I very much hope I am wrong but what if this was the plan from the start for governments and elites to gain control over populations? To see who listens and who doesn’t and reward those who are controlled and punish those who aren’t.

And if worried about the kids really think hard about why the kids can’t get them. Could it be they aren’t safe?

Do you realize that they need you to be scared to control your every move. Do you know that the ones hiding Anne Frank were breaking the law, and the ones that killed her were following it? That may sound extreme but it’s the truth.

And before you all jump down my throat about not knowing my facts, I’ve talked to 2 different nurses with 40 and 30 plus years experience that say this will be the biggest crime against humanity ever.

All proven out to be wrong, not based on science, conspiracy theory nonsense, etc. You care to walk back any of these, or are we supposed to keep playing pretend and let you live the fantasy of ever being honest?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

No I do not. However, please point me to a party that allows one to vote on an internal election without a paid membership?

I could understand if memberships to these parties cost 100, 200, 500, or 1000 dollars, but most of them are 10 bucks which in my mind is worth it to have a vote.

A beer at the flames games is more than a membership I believe.

So you don’t believe people should have to pay to vote but everyone is doing it and it’s worth it so people should just pay it?

Idiotic.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by BlindMilwaukee

I know it's been said before, but most people are of the of the opinion that you shouldn't have to:

- Pay to participate in democracy

- Give any amount of money to a party you don't share beliefs with to cast a vote for that party leader

That seems simple enough to understand regardless of which party a person supports.

Also, the people should be voting and not corporations or unions.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Vaccination was definitely the way to go. However, making you feel safe was an illusion (as the vaccination past Delta did not alter transmission) and didn't effect your health at all. It was 100% a play to protect the health system.

Nah. I didn't want those hacking, phlegm-ridden disease bags ruining my good time. And they didn't, because they weren't allowed anywhere near us. They can watch outside from the window, in the snow, and cry.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

I will ask you an honest question though. When people started floating the idea that governments would implement vax passes and 99 percent of the people said, “that will never happen, that’s conspiracy and misinformation”, were you part of the 1 percent?

Originally Posted by 14Roman14

You are right, I apologize for throwing the made up 99 percent number out there.

For future reference, if you're making up the premise of your question, it is not, in fact, an honest question.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Muta

Nah. I didn't want those hacking, phlegm-ridden disease bags ruining my good time. And they didn't, because they weren't allowed anywhere near us. They can watch outside from the window, in the snow, and cry.

Yet everyone working at the establishments that you were so safe in could have been disease ridden anti-vaxxers.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

disease ridden anti-vaxxers.

Polio-spreading hacks.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Yet everyone working at the establishments that you were so safe in could have been disease ridden anti-vaxxers.

Did I really need to use green text? Regardless, many workplaces had mandatory vaxx policies for employees, so you're not exactly on point there either.