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[Johnny Makarov]

Vancouver is No Good: Live Bet the Chokers

[PeteMoss]

ok... this is funny now

[sketchyt]

Whale team bad:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1582548731827654659

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

Whale team bad:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1582548731827654659

It's a fair point. I think many Canuck fans (including the resident ones here on CP) were just happy that Benning was gone (for good reason) and in all the excitement mistakenly assumed that Rutherford and Co would bring in a new vision and direction, but the summer showed that it's really much of the same. They believe in that core (like Benning did) as shown by their extension of Miller and believe they are a playoff team (stated by Rutherford). Rutherford has even said that their D group when healthy is good enough.

[activeStick]

So the Canucks have quietly dropped their slogan "Unfinished Business" and have moved to "Our Pursuit".

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canu...an-our-pursuit

[VANFLAMESFAN]

I just don’t get how that front office in the summertime thought that grabbing Mikyehev and dropping cap space there made more sense than fixing up their blue line. Even when fully healthy, their top six is suspect and it’s really troublesome when they have a couple injuries like they do now.

Nothing against Mikyehev. He will be fine I guess. But to not address blue line set this team up for failure.

They’ll get a few wins here and come back to the pack but they’re never not gonna be a playoff bubble team at best with that defence.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by activeStick

So the Canucks have quietly dropped their slogan "Unfinished Business" and have moved to "Our Pursuit".

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canu...an-our-pursuit

Maybe they have one of those daily calendars with inspirational slogans on it and are just going to change every time they like the new one. Or it's just for merchandising.

[Enoch Root]

Hughes + OEL + Myers = $21,110

Weegar + Tanev + Andersson + Hanifin + Zadorov = $21,000

LOL

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Hughes + OEL + Myers = $21,110

Weegar + Tanev + Andersson + Hanifin + Zadorov = $21,000

LOL

That group of Flames Dmen are also all signed for at least one more season (with Weegar getting a $3 million AAV bump)

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

I just don’t get how that front office in the summertime thought that grabbing Mikyehev and dropping cap space there made more sense than fixing up their blue line. Even when fully healthy, their top six is suspect and it’s really troublesome when they have a couple injuries like they do now.

Nothing against Mikyehev. He will be fine I guess. But to not address blue line set this team up for failure.

They’ll get a few wins here and come back to the pack but they’re never not gonna be a playoff bubble team at best with that defence.

I think the issue was there were no solutions to the blue line to be had in the summer. I think they tried to move Miller for something and couldn't get it. There wasn't much on the UFA market.

At the best of times there are very few deals where teams get a Weegar-like player without getting bent over for him. But when the other team knows you need it? Lol, good luck.

I agree that what the new regime has done isn't really much of anything, but I think the situation they inherited just didn't have much movement that could be done. Team is cap strapped with very few assets to move to try and improve the situation. The reality is, the team needs to move on from one of their top-9 fan favourite forwards to fix this. Hell, it may even need to be two. Miller was the obvious option, but they turned around and brought him back. Now Horvat is the obvious option. One of Garland or Boeser probably should go too. Will they? Ehh, hard to trade that kind of player. Very hard to trade them and get the value you feel they are worth back when everyone knows you're desperate.

But the only way it gets better is if you excise the tumour. The tumour, in this case, being the roster construction they inherited but are for some reason being reluctant to change.

[Enoch Root]

Miller was a tumor, but they obviously mis-diagnosed it

Re-signing him means that the culture problem will persist for the foreseeable future

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

I just don’t get how that front office in the summertime thought that grabbing Mikyehev and dropping cap space there made more sense than fixing up their blue line. Even when fully healthy, their top six is suspect and it’s really troublesome when they have a couple injuries like they do now.

Nothing against Mikyehev. He will be fine I guess. But to not address blue line set this team up for failure.

They’ll get a few wins here and come back to the pack but they’re never not gonna be a playoff bubble team at best with that defence.

This seems to be the new map on how many teams are building themselves. Load up on as many high-end offensively players you can, pay through the nose for them, and then fill the bottom lines and defense will lower level skill and players.

- Edmonton
- Vancouver
- Toronto
- Florida
- Ottawa (to lesser extent)

It obviously goes without saying that none of these teams have won anything.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Miller was a tumor, but they obviously mis-diagnosed it

Re-signing him means that the culture problem will persist for the foreseeable future

Yes. This.

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[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I think the issue was there were no solutions to the blue line to be had in the summer. I think they tried to move Miller for something and couldn't get it. There wasn't much on the UFA market.

At the best of times there are very few deals where teams get a Weegar-like player without getting bent over for him. But when the other team knows you need it? Lol, good luck.

I agree that what the new regime has done isn't really much of anything, but I think the situation they inherited just didn't have much movement that could be done. Team is cap strapped with very few assets to move to try and improve the situation. The reality is, the team needs to move on from one of their top-9 fan favourite forwards to fix this. Hell, it may even need to be two. Miller was the obvious option, but they turned around and brought him back. Now Horvat is the obvious option. One of Garland or Boeser probably should go too. Will they? Ehh, hard to trade that kind of player. Very hard to trade them and get the value you feel they are worth back when everyone knows you're desperate.

But the only way it gets better is if you excise the tumour. The tumour, in this case, being the roster construction they inherited but are for some reason being reluctant to change.

Really? I assume you're saying that purely from a contract status viewpoint and not who actually matters the team, because whenver I watch the Canucks, he's one of their most consistent players. Not amazing, but a solid rock in the middle six to build around.

To me, it's a team that has a few great young pieces, but that's it. I think Hughes is exceptional, as is Demko, and I think Pettersson is a 1st liner, but not an amazing one. I've never been sold on Boeser as a good player because you need more than just a good shot to play in the NHL. I really liked Miller last year, but I felt it was a great one-off season, not his norm.

They have a lot of money tied up in middling players like Pearson, Garland, Mikheyev, Poolman, etc., but also some steals with Hoglander and Podkolzin on their ELC's.

But then you have the albatross contracts of OEL and Myers. There's not much hope if you still have to carry those guys.

If it were me, I would gut the whole roster except for the following (assuming you could not find someone to take on OEL or Myers):

Pettersson, Horvat (re-signed), Hughes, Demko, anyone one an ELC. Recoup as many draft picks as you can and restart the build, focusing on those main veterans as your core, along with any younger picks/prospects.

It's a team without an identity, and as long as you have a lot of these guys hanging around, it's hard to create something new. There's a lot of work to do to fix that team, and I'm not sure they're headed in the right direction. I think the end of last year under Boudreau was a new coach bump that is a blip in their trajectory, not a trend.

It could be a year where they are forced to sell off and tank for Bedard unless they start to play better very soon. I'm just not sure they have the personnel to be a playoff team.

[stemit14]

It’s funny to think that without a big change in results soon… they will be in tank mode for Bedard by the end of the month. Problem is they will be facing teams like Arizona, Seattle, San Jose, and Chicago for that prize. Those teams have been specifically designed to go for him… Vancouver would be in the race for Bedard by accident.


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[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by activeStick

So the Canucks have quietly dropped their slogan "Unfinished Business" and have moved to "Our Pursuit".

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canu...an-our-pursuit

"Unfinished Business" Seemed like the perfect slogan for their season. Start a game hot, then pack it up and quit before the game was finished. I guess they’ll be pursuing a win now? I’m sure they’ll get there one of these days.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Vancouver would be in the race for Bedard by accident.

True, but they're giving themselves pole position by blowing all those two-goal leads. Couldn't ask for a better setup.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

True, but they're giving themselves pole position by blowing all those two-goal leads. Couldn't ask for a better setup.

People will be calling for a coaching change by the end of the month if they keep this up. But management/ownership may have had it and want to keep the losing going by then. The new coach bump would sabotage the race for Bedard but be too late to save the season.


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[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Really? I assume you're saying that purely from a contract status viewpoint and not who actually matters the team, because whenver I watch the Canucks, he's one of their most consistent players. Not amazing, but a solid rock in the middle six to build around.

Correct, clearly from a contract stand point. But also, he has looked particularly bad to start this yeah. As for gutting the roster, you need people to be willing to take the things you're gutting. Guys like Garland or Boeser might get you something, but like I said: less than they're actually probably worth. Making a bunch of losing trades to just try and get a fresh start isn't usually a good working strategy.

Originally Posted by stemit14

People will be calling for a coaching change by the end of the month if they keep this up. But management/ownership may have had it and want to keep the losing going by then. The new coach bump would sabotage the race for Bedard but be too late to save the season.


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No one is coming for Bruce. He's one of the best all time regular season coaches. This is on the players.

[Roof-Daddy]

The canucks misfortunes so far have been quite funny and I hope they continue, but I don't expect them to. They'll figure out how to hold a lead, and Demko will get back to being Demko.

That being said, Vancouver is no good.