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Old 10-19-2022, 12:16 AM   #701
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Sad news about the RCMP officer.

It seems like this homeless crisis and drugs/ODs are out of control and something needs to be done. Is the provincial government out there actually doing anything. It almost seems like it’s become a federal issue and Trudeau is MIA as usual, same with Singh, isn’t Burnaby his or close to his riding?
You can talk about affordable housing all you want but things are clearly not working.

Maybe it’s time for some mandatory jail sentences for loitering, possession or being under the influence, like 90 days. Sober some of these people up to start with and get them off drugs.
Trudeau is not MIA as usual in not dealing with a provincial drug crisis. Of all Trudeaus faults, he'd actually be the type that would be fully on board with Porteguel's model and in fact has spoken in favour of it if I'm not mistaken.

As for the rest, these are all faulty ideas bred from the fear campaigns of the 70's and 80's that have been proven to not do a damn thing, and in fact make things way worse. We need better education, safe access to clean drugs for addicts, less imprisonment and more access to mental and physical health care, including drug treatment to start making a dent.

The idea of "sobering people up with jail sentences to get them started" is completely asinine and the complete opposite of what we need to be doing. Jesus.
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Trudeau is not MIA as usual in not dealing with a provincial drug crisis. Of all Trudeaus faults, he'd actually be the type that would be fully on board with Porteguel's model and in fact has spoken in favour of it if I'm not mistaken.

As for the rest, these are all faulty ideas bred from the fear campaigns of the 70's and 80's that have been proven to not do a damn thing, and in fact make things way worse. We need better education, safe access to clean drugs for addicts, less imprisonment and more access to mental and physical health care, including drug treatment to start making a dent.

The idea of "sobering people up with jail sentences to get them started" is completely asinine and the complete opposite of what we need to be doing. Jesus.

Well I’m guessing you would know what works. I think this new mayor will start addressing things non kid gloves sooner rather than later.

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Just to clarify, Portugal doesn't send drug users to prisons, but it does send them to confined treatment centers. So they are forcing people to sober up. They're just doing it in a clinical setting. Some of these treatment centers would have fewer liberties than your average prison.
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You have to start somewhere and if that means arresting people for their own good then so be it. I see people daily that should be in care and not strung out another day until they die, makes us all look bad in that we’re not helping them.

It’s also well known that a small group that’s refusing help are committing a large portion of property crimes.
And I still think it’s become a federal issue they need to deal with as the provinces aren’t or don’t know how.
And the amount of garbage being left everywhere is staggering, who’s supposed to clean that up, volunteers once a year?
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Would come as a shock to all the old Italian guys on Commercial Drive.
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Another day, another overnight glass smashing of a small business owner. Walked out this morning to grab a coffee and walked past a local pizza place and saw that the owner was cleaning up the broken glass from their front door. There's no cash on site left overnight so I don't know what these people are doing this for.
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Would come as a shock to all the old Italian guys on Commercial Drive.
I think most reasonable people get my point. Maybe go talk to some transit or police officers and see what they tell you.
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Just to clarify, Portugal doesn't send drug users to prisons, but it does send them to confined treatment centers. So they are forcing people to sober up. They're just doing it in a clinical setting. Some of these treatment centers would have fewer liberties than your average prison.
which is completely fine. It's not like we are truly sending these people to jail / prison anyway, since they get out in 5 mins with no real consequences. We literally are just driving them to a place for a very short stay and then releasing them. That's not jail / prison, that's a joke.

Contrary to prevailing wisdom the key point in that great video a few pages back is that Vancouver implemented a 4 pillar system that actually looks a lot like the Portugal model they just don't implement it properly and only focus on 1 of the 4 pillars. Portugal enforced laws and had rules / consequences in ADDITION TO the soft approach to rehab and sobriety, etc., and finding people places to stay and jobs, etc.

Just do what you originally said you were going to do. If people sober up they are then far more likely to take the ball and run with it but you gotta get them sober first. Yes that means treatment centers not prison.
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Another day, another overnight glass smashing of a small business owner. Walked out this morning to grab a coffee and walked past a local pizza place and saw that the owner was cleaning up the broken glass from their front door. There's no cash on site left overnight so I don't know what these people are doing this for.
My last smashing was for a 5 year old bluetooth speaker. Cost me $1700 in repairs for something worth maybe $50.
I shut my business down in June; wasn't worth it.
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another shooting (homicide) this morning at ubc golf course, followed by a torched out car a few blocks away.
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My last smashing was for a 5 year old bluetooth speaker. Cost me $1700 in repairs for something worth maybe $50.

I shut my business down in June; wasn't worth it.
Man, that sucks. How does insurance work for small businesses for things like smashed windows?
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https://bc.ctvnews.ca/her-loss-is-im...team-1.6114406

The RCMP officer who was killed on duty in Burnaby, B.C., Tuesday has been identified as Const. Shaelyn Yang, a member of the local detachment's mental health and homeless outreach team.

Officials said Yang and a Burnaby bylaw officer were called to Broadview Park on Tuesday morning, and were engaged with someone camping in a tent when an altercation erupted.

Yang was stabbed, and succumbed to her injuries after being rushed to hospital. She was 31.

"She answered the call to duty today and she paid the ultimate price," said Deputy Comm. Dwayne McDonald, commanding officer of the B.C. RCMP. "Her loss is immeasurable."

The constable was a "loving wife, a sister and a daughter," McDonald added.

A suspect was also shot during the altercation, and remained in hospital Tuesday afternoon with injuries that officials said were not life-threatening.



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Wound't be OD's, there's many of those daily. This had the front window tarped off, and Homicide and Forensics called in and deep into investigation.

Homicide gets called out to many non criminal deaths but it's more just to quickly determine that it's actually OD/suicide so someone can't cover up a murder at home with only paramedics and a body pick up involved. If the media is writing that Homicide and forensics are involved that means it's way past that and likely a double homicide.
Yeah, total glossed over that. I know exactly where that is, small block between the high school and Willingdon ave. Basically the Jeep was right across the street from the high school parking lot.

I went past a huge police presence down closer to the water where North Skeena turns into Bridgeway street, at least 5 or 6 cop cars. They were taping off what appeared to be an abandoned car in small parking lot close the woods there. I guess that is technically Vancouver at the point.
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Man, that sucks. How does insurance work for small businesses for things like smashed windows?
There's coverage, my deductible was $1000.
More than financial, it's a big PITA to get repairs as they have to measure and custom make new glass and it sits boarded up for weeks.
Small issue in the grand scheme of things going on here now, but I do sympathize with business owners every time I see glass smashed.

I also feel really bad for businesses in areas like Chinatown and Gastown as I know so many people that just avoid those areas as much as possible now.
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I'm half surprised the killer was actually remanded into custody rather than being set loose again.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...rged-1.6621904

A man charged with the first-degree murder of an RCMP officer in Burnaby, B.C., Tuesday was wanted on a previous assault charge at the time of his arrest.

According to court records, a Vancouver provincial court judge issued a warrant for Jongwon Ham's arrest a month before the 37-year-old allegedly stabbed Const. Shaelyn Yang after she and a parks employee approached the tent where Ham had reportedly been living for months.

Court records show that Ham was facing two separate assault charges at the time of the attack.

He was charged with assaulting a man and resisting a Vancouver police officer in February 2021, released on bail in March 2022 and then charged with assaulting someone else just days later.

Ham was released on his own recognizance and then rearrested several times after failing to show up for court. He was supposed to report to a bail officer, and he was also not allowed to possess any weapons.

A judge issued a warrant for his arrest on Sept. 14 after he failed to show up at Vancouver's downtown community court. Ham also failed to show up for another court date which was scheduled for Monday.


The details of the earlier assaults are not contained in the paper trail of court documents, but the details of release, bail and failure to show up to court fit a pattern that has troubled communities around British Columbia struggling to cope with homelessness and occasional violence and petty crime that has been associated with mental illness and addiction.

Mayors from cities including Burnaby have complained publicly about the so-called "catch and release" justice system — criticism that has drawn a sharp rebuke from B.C.'s Crown Prosecution Service.

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Yeah, total glossed over that. I know exactly where that is, small block between the high school and Willingdon ave. Basically the Jeep was right across the street from the high school parking lot.

I went past a huge police presence down closer to the water where North Skeena turns into Bridgeway street, at least 5 or 6 cop cars. They were taping off what appeared to be an abandoned car in small parking lot close the woods there. I guess that is technically Vancouver at the point.
The male victim has ties to a shooting back in August. Appears to be drug/gang related.
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There's coverage, my deductible was $1000.

More than financial, it's a big PITA to get repairs as they have to measure and custom make new glass and it sits boarded up for weeks.

Small issue in the grand scheme of things going on here now, but I do sympathize with business owners every time I see glass smashed.



I also feel really bad for businesses in areas like Chinatown and Gastown as I know so many people that just avoid those areas as much as possible now.
Yeah things in Chinatown are bad. My mom is in her 70s but loves work and still works down there and I think it is good for her to keep using her brain, socializing with colleagues and all of that, but I constantly worry about her.
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More info about the accused murderer has now been released; definitely not the background I'd have expected at first blush:

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The man accused of fatally stabbing Burnaby RCMP Const. Shaelyn Yang is an Emmy-award winning filmmaker with recent roots in Toronto, Global News has learned.

Jongwon Ham is charged with first-degree murder in the killing, which happened Tuesday as Yang accompanied a Burnaby parks worker to tell him he could no longer tent in a local park.

Global News has learned that Ham was an accomplished director, cinematographer and editor, with television and documentary credits. In 2013 he won an audience choice award for his part in a short film in the Arirang Korea Smartphone Film Festival, and 2014 he worked on an Emmy-winning travel and food documentary.
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Kind of illustrates how thin the line between productive member of society and homeless cop killer is in our society right now.
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