2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Robbob]

Might an interesting poll question down the road, when the situation is a little more clear, whether the cost to bring in a player like Kane is worth the pure rental price.

[FBI]

Just say no to trading Coronato for Kane as a rental..

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by redmile04

In fact we paid Martin. St Louis to leave...

The Flames exposed him in the 2000 NHL Expansion Draft, but after he went unselected, the team bought out his contract and made him an unrestricted free agent.[6]

He was available in the expansion draft, then was put on waivers before the buy out and no one wanted him, not even the new teams. Martin St Louis is hardly the scathing poor review of Button some think it is.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I mean this in the nicest way possible but if you can’t even entertain Button’s opinion as an analyst because of bad trades he made 20+ years ago… for players who have since retired, then it’s probably time to do the healthy thing and move on.

I value his opinion as an evaluator of talent. But he has shown by his actions that he doesn't know how to build a functioning team. When he says player X would be a good fit for team Y, I give that exactly the same weight I would if it came from a fan on a message board.

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

He was available in the expansion draft, then was put on waivers before the buy out and no one wanted him, not even the new teams. Martin St Louis is hardly the scathing poor review of Button some think it is.

The thing is, there was absolutely no need to let him go. He was young, he was cheap, he had shown flashes at the NHL level, and the team had no depth. Why the hell not just keep him for a year and evaluate him then?

The thing about both Giguere and St. Louis is that Button got rid of them as soon as he was hired. They had not played a single game with him as GM. The moves were hasty and ill-advised, like most of the moves Button made as GM.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I value his opinion as an evaluator of talent. But he has shown by his actions that he doesn't know how to build a functioning team. When he says player X would be a good fit for team Y, I give that exactly the same weight I would if it came from a fan on a message board.

Actions 20+ years ago.

20+ years.

Martin St.Louis had a whole career and has retired.

I get it but you’re also just a fan on a message board, so we’re also weighing your opinions as lightly, you know? Time to move on.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Might an interesting poll question down the road, when the situation is a little more clear, whether the cost to bring in a player like Kane is worth the pure rental price.

For me, it really depends. The way the contracts on this team are structured, it is clearly in win-now mode. I think we've crossed the Rubicon and we are all in at this point.

If the Flames are looking like legit contenders at the deadline, then I say go for it. I mean like top 2 in the West.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I value his opinion as an evaluator of talent. But he has shown by his actions that he doesn't know how to build a functioning team. When he says player X would be a good fit for team Y, I give that exactly the same weight I would if it came from a fan on a message board.



The thing is, there was absolutely no need to let him go. He was young, he was cheap, he had shown flashes at the NHL level, and the team had no depth. Why the hell not just keep him for a year and evaluate him then?

The thing about both Giguere and St. Louis is that Button got rid of them as soon as he was hired. They had not played a single game with him as GM. The moves were hasty and ill-advised, like most of the moves Button made as GM.

Nevermind the St Louis blunder, the one the really pissed me off it the Savard and Greg Gilbert one. That idiot Gilbert refused to play Savard, who was a center that played well with Iginla. Then, Button sided with that idiot Gilbert and traded Savard for peanuts. THEN, he fired Gilbert!

[Manhattanboy]

On 960 mid morning they were musing about the possibility of Kane in Calgary.

But I'm not sure who "they" are these days. Could have been 2 dudes in Toronto or Tuktuyuktuk for all I know.

[N-E-B]

Kane's a UFA this year, can't see him waiving to come play in Canada. My bet is he rides it out in Chicago for the year and signs in Florida or something in the offseason.

[Monahammer]

FTR Button actually agrees that the Savard episode was a poor decision on his part.

Agreed with Pepsi though- this is someone who proves year after year he's still one of the most knowledgeable guys in Hockey. From a pure talent analysis perspective. Let go of the decisions he made 20 years ago.

If you're looking for a Button decision to remember vis a vis shaping the Calgary Flames franchise, perhaps remember that it was Button who brought in Sutter to coach the team.

Now, on to it. Yes, the price of acquiring Kane will be painful. But when was the last time a team acquired a rental of this caliber? If we're already a top team, if Colorado eats salary, and if we can acquire him for only futures, I think it's a slam dunk. Hang the futures, who gives a #### about those. Our team is largely locked in for the next 7 years anyways lol.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Kane's a UFA this year, can't see him waiving to come play in Canada. My bet is he rides it out in Chicago for the year and signs in Florida or something in the offseason.

He's turning 34 next month. There's only so many chances left for him to chase one more cup. He'll be the biggest trade chip that the hawks have come deadline. My bets he's on a new team before TDL.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Kane's a UFA this year, can't see him waiving to come play in Canada. My bet is he rides it out in Chicago for the year and signs in Florida or something in the offseason.

Talk is that he will play the season out and see how things are by the deadline. He has a full NMC so will get a say on what happens. Whether that is staying in Chicago or picking a contender to go to (if the contending team can make it happen).

In the morning they speculated that if the Flames are there (top of the conference with cap space), it is feasible that Kane might waive if the situation was right. It would be a few months and half of that would be on the road. As much as he would want to go to the NYR, that 800k cap space at the trade deadline might not make that feasible without moving a big piece or some cap gymnastics that might cost even more.

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by FBI

Just say no to trading Coronato for Kane as a rental..

I highly doubt Tre trades for Kane as strictly a rental. But makes you think, if Kane is the missing piece..would you trade Coronato for a Stanley Cup win?

[Psytic]

How about Sean Monahan at the deadline if he is looking good. Hes a real warrior I hear.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

I highly doubt Tre trades for Kane as strictly a rental. But makes you think, if Kane is the missing piece..would you trade Coronato for a Stanley Cup win?

Absolutely but not for a 5% boost in possibility to win a cup..
I would do high draft picks though..

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Actions 20+ years ago.

20+ years.

Martin St.Louis had a whole career and has retired.

So what? He hasn't had a sniff at an NHL job for all those years. Most former NHL executives get some kind of job in somebody's organization after being fired the first time. Not Button. The actions he performed all those years ago were all the actions we will ever have to assess his abilities by. The entire league has found him wanting and moved on.

I get it but you’re also just a fan on a message board, so we’re also weighing your opinions as lightly, you know?

No, you're not. You are weighing my opinions at zero, but giving weight to Button's opinions by using them in support of your points.

Time to move on.

You already said that. But I have nothing to move on from. I'm not bearing him any grudges here.

I'm just saying that he has shown very poor skill at putting a roster together, and when I consider him as an analyst, I discount his opinions on the subject accordingly.

Apparently you think I'm kicking his dog or something. I'm not. The only emotion I am feeling through all of this is a mild annoyance at you for having to explain something so simple.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

If you're looking for a Button decision to remember vis a vis shaping the Calgary Flames franchise, perhaps remember that it was Button who brought in Sutter to coach the team.

No, he did not. It was well known at the time that the owners hired Sutter, and planned to give him the GM job at the end of the season. Button was a dead man walking at that point.

[jg13]

Nick Ritchie has been scoring at a 0.5 GPG rate since he joined Arizona. A huge 6'3 235 lb winger making 2.5M on an expiring contract. Also has 3 goals in 3 games this year.

Could slot in nicely on our 3rd line.

[Mass_nerder]

Plus the brother connection!
I think there was some discussion prior to the 2014 draft that Nick Richie might be a good target for the Flames, but that might have been earlier in the season, before we knew we were drafting 4th overall.

[Toonage]

Don't hate that idea. Still would prefer Toffoli on
the 3rd with a new 1RW but honestly that may be a pipe dream in season or at least until the deadline