Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[White Out 403]

Weird. Who could have predicted Daneille Smith would be a tire fire of a premier.

She's actually worse than Kenney. Unreal. So I guess that is good for the NDP and Alberta long term, because, I can't imagine the electorate being so stupid as to vote for this airhead in a general election.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by b1crunch

To circle this back to Alberta politics...

This entire situation showcases the incompetence of Danielle Smith. She kicked a hornets nest and has created a situation where Albertans (vaxxed/unvaxxed) are arguing with one another over issues that have been argued to death at this point. How is this positive for the province going forward? How is this good leadership?

At this point of the pandemic, no one is changing anyone's mind about the efficacy of vaccines. People believe what they want and the arguments have all been revisited hundreds of times over. This is why Danielle Smith is already a failure as Premier. She should have left the issue alone, and governed in a manner that united Albertans and focused on our future, not revisiting and dredging up our past.

14Roman14... you were praising Smith and her focus on rights earlier in this thread. I'd argue she used her first comment as premier to throw gasoline on a fire that was seemingly going out or nearly dead. It was stupid on her part and an incredible failure as Premier.

It's bad for Alberta but it's her only strategy to win...energize the base. Get the idiot segment of conservatives all riled up about identity politics, AB sovereignty and anti vaxx discrimination.

She's an idiot but even stupid people can follow a simple script and this one is right out of the republican playbook down south. Nothing gets your base out to vote like riling them up about "rights". Once they're all frothing at the mouth angry they'll vote and they'll encourage their friends to vote too.

Our only hope is enough of the province aren't total and complete morons and don't fall for it. Hopefully it just encourages more people to flip to vote NDP because they're so disgusted with how for the UCP have fallen.

[Fuzz]

I'm holding out hope that at minimum, sane Conservative voters just stay home. I can't imagine how anyone with a soul could put a mark down next to her name.

[TheIronMaiden]

This is what I am dreading.

The UCP will throw millions of dollars pitting their bureaucracy against that of the federal government. This will be done in the name of 'anti government' but will ultimately be a political stunt.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm holding out hope that at minimum, sane Conservative voters just stay home. I can't imagine how anyone with a soul could put a mark down next to her name.

lol, I have no faith in conservatives. It's actually integral to what it is to be a conservative in the first place - they don't like change; they like things the way they are. The NDP is willing to make changes, process new information, adjust focus and strategies as required. None of that speaks to a conservative voter.

Danielle Smith - while not perfect in the mind of a conservative - at least has the value of preferring things closer to as they were versus allowing values to evolve based on new information.

Conservative voters will let you down EVERY SINGLE TIME. The only way to beat them is for more fence-sitters or apathetic voters to outvote them. Conservatives don't change; it's not what they do (even if they say they will).

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

This is what I am dreading.

The UCP will throw millions of dollars pitting their bureaucracy against that of the federal government. This will be done in the name of 'anti government' but will ultimately be a political stunt.

Smith's strategy to boost employment will be to engage in so many lawsuits they need to hire more and more lawyers.

I'd love to see a running ticker of how much money the UCP has wasted on failed lawsuits directed at the the feds.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Especially after the Kenney debacle where he dared follow any semblance of intelligence and placed the bare minimum of restrictions when COVID was in full swing. Sure he effed it up royally but since he did anything at all, many of his one braincell voters turned on him. It's essentially why he got ousted. He didn't do enough to keep non-idiots happy but also did way too much that pissed off the anti vaxxer crowd.

Smith needs to win back the anti vaxxers. Show them that the UCP is their party. No better way to do that than her BS fight for freedom.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Sliver

lol, I have no faith in conservatives. It's actually integral to what it is to be a conservative in the first place - they don't like change; they like things the way they are. The NDP is willing to make changes, process new information, adjust focus and strategies as required. None of that speaks to a conservative voter.

Danielle Smith - while not perfect in the mind of a conservative - at least has the value of preferring things closer to as they were versus allowing values to evolve based on new information.

Conservative voters will let you down EVERY SINGLE TIME. The only way to beat them is for more fence-sitters or apathetic voters to outvote them. Conservatives don't change; it's not what they do (even if they say they will).

The UCP government is all about change. They changed almost every single ministry, and almost every change was pro-corporation and anti-Albertan. It's the difference between the conservatives of eld and the nu-conservatives. The trick is to convince seniors that the UCP are not conversatives at all. Because they are not.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm holding out hope that at minimum, sane Conservative voters just stay home. I can't imagine how anyone with a soul could put a mark down next to her name.

They may be shooting themselves in the foot, but at least those damn lefties are getting shot in the foot too.

[BlackArcher101]

I imagine 14Roman14 is a reference to Romans 14:14 in the bible? I had to look it up, but if this is really the meaning of it, that's a bit ironic having that stance against the vaccine and helping your fellow man. Seems like they are only taking the lesson about treating each other with respect but ignoring the rest?

[The Fisher Account]

If there's one thing fiscal conservatives are good at, it's wasting taxpayer money to make a point

[b1crunch]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

I imagine 14Roman14 is a reference to Romans 14:14 in the bible? I had to look it up, but if this is really the meaning of it, that's a bit ironic having that stance against the vaccine and helping your fellow man. Seems like they are only taking the lesson about treating each other with respect but ignoring the rest?

No idea if that was the intention of the poster, but the last line of the verse is incredible when viewed through the lens of vaccines and Covid.

"The mature should relinquish personal freedom for the sake of the weak."

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by b1crunch

No idea if that was the intention of the poster, but the last line of the verse is incredible when viewed through the lens of vaccines and Covid.

"The mature should relinquish personal freedom for the sake of the weak."

To be fair, this is just someone's summary of it so it's not the actual verse. I can't read biblese anymore after leaving high school, so it all reads as legalese to me now.

[Fuzz]

The one thing that could really benefit the antivaxer God fearing crowd is to actually read the bible and follow the teachings of Jesus. They seem to be far worse at caring for their fellow man than godless heathens.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

I imagine 14Roman14 is a reference to Romans 14:14 in the bible? I had to look it up, but if this is really the meaning of it, that's a bit ironic having that stance against the vaccine and helping your fellow man. Seems like they are only taking the lesson about treating each other with respect but ignoring the rest?

Especially where it says the Mature should relinquish personal freedoms for the benefit of the weak.

Maybe he read it wrong?

[#-3]

The number of people that have said to me in the past month "Why did we get rid of Kenny, he didn't do anything is insane" peoples memories are so short.

Cutting the top income taxes during a major deficit (while borrowing for investment wasn't the problem).
$30M to a friend for the Propaganda Center
Selling off public parks
Coal Mining
$1.5B purchase of a dead asset to prove a political point.
Losing at hardball with the unions
Charging fees for public parks (if you are hiker/skier, but not if you want to spin your tires in the mud)
Moving AISH payments back a day, causing the most vulnerable to miss basic rent/credit card payments, to save the government 1 day of interest.
Adopting Louisianas education system.
Turning control of the carbon tax over the federal government
The referendum asking Albertans if they want to pay less tax, without explaining to them that to pay less tax you have to make less money.

and many more things before you even get to is completely disjointed, hypocritical, burry your head in the sand response to COVID

Then you get to things that would h have been financially stupid for typical Albertans, but could get through like an Alberta Pension Plan.

Sure Smith might be a less thoughtful and worse politician. But lets not forget that the UPC was founded on bad ideas.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm holding out hope that at minimum, sane Conservative voters just stay home. .

I disagree. That isn't enough.

Sane Conservatives should be voting for the NDP. What better way for the UCP to understand this fukcing road they are going down isn't acceptable.

[Muta]

Sane conservative voters would realize that the ANDP is virtually now on the same position on the political spectrum as the PC's from a generation ago if you actually research their policies and what they support. It's simply the color orange that turns them into pissed off gorillas banging on the zoo glass and throwing feces everywhere.

[Dentoman]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I disagree. That isn't enough.

Sane Conservatives should be voting for the NDP. What better way for the UCP to understand this fukcing road they are going down isn't acceptable.

This is what I am doing. Danielle Smith is so terrible that a message needs to be sent. Hopefully, enough moderates do the same and the UCP loses to the NDP and in "safe" constituencies" (like mine) they can see the drop in the overall vote totals.
Smith's hate for AHS and the CPSA is almost as ridiculous and stupid as her vaccination position.

[Knut]

Me as well. Voting Notley. Never thought i would but we need to get rid of the rural minority dominating the province.