10-12-2022, 08:23 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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I've never seen him play. Can't say I even remember hearing of him. He must have off the charts advanced stats because his regular stat line is underwhelming for a person who just signed that contract.
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10-12-2022, 08:28 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Buff
I've never seen him play. Can't say I even remember hearing of him. He must have off the charts advanced stats because his regular stat line is underwhelming for a person who just signed that contract.
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1580203021912313858
really small sample size
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10-12-2022, 08:29 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Back in Calgary
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Never even heard of the guy, but good for him.
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10-12-2022, 08:31 AM
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Commie Referee
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Small town, B.C.
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He hasn’t even scored a goal yet. Not sure if I’ve ever seen a contract like that for someone who hadn’t done really anything yet. Strange.
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10-12-2022, 08:35 AM
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Franchise Player
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this feels like a real stretch. Imagine if we had signed Valimaki to a deal like this
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10-12-2022, 08:35 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Turner Valley
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Strange. It seems that the cap savings you might have in years 4-7 are erased by the overpayment in years 1-3 (assuming he develops into a top 2 defenseman).
I guess the Sabres are hoping to be contenders by then when the cap savings can be helpful to them, but seems like a weird risk for Adams to take.
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10-12-2022, 08:37 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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It's Buffalo. Maybe it will work out for them or maybe it's another mistake by an organization that has made many over the last decade. It's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt given recent history.
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10-12-2022, 08:42 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan
He hasn’t even scored a goal yet. Not sure if I’ve ever seen a contract like that for someone who hadn’t done really anything yet. Strange.
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this is almost certainly the largest contract given out for a player who hasn't scored a goal at the NHL level
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10-12-2022, 08:50 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Buffalo has been ####ing up league contract standards for more than a decade now. Remember the whole Briere f-show? Then the Skinner anchor? This is likely to follow.
I suppose it could turn out, but it just seems like such a wild unforced error. Good for this fellow to guarantee a successful life for himself.
Edit: NVM i had the briere one mixed up, it was philly that gave him a lunatic contract to steal him away from buffalo. Still.
Last edited by Monahammer; 10-12-2022 at 08:52 AM.
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10-12-2022, 08:51 AM
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geeoff
this feels like a real stretch. Imagine if we had signed Valimaki to a deal like this
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Yeah if you get a few of these right you are golden, but a slip or two and you really set the franchise back.
Juuso Valimaki was certainly looking like a sure fire top four defenseman after that Avalanche series. Could have been a huge mistake.
The Flames took less of a gamble on guys like Lindholm, Hanifin and Andersson.
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10-12-2022, 09:04 AM
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Franchise Player
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Yeah, 54 games on a bad team with no particular structure is not enough of a sample to make a bet that big. That's insane. Of course it might still pay off because who knows, but that's not a bet any GM should be willing to make.
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10-12-2022, 09:33 AM
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Franchise Player
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Samuelsson is awesome, lots of crack judgments from people who have never even heard of him let alone watched a Sabres game lol. This will be a good deal.
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10-12-2022, 09:34 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
Samuelsson is awesome, lots of crack judgments from people who have never even heard of him let alone watched a Sabres game lol. This will be a good deal.
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This contract has equal chances of being good and terrible.
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10-12-2022, 09:44 AM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
Samuelsson is awesome, lots of crack judgments from people who have never even heard of him let alone watched a Sabres game lol. This will be a good deal.
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We are paying Chris Tanev 4.5M as a UFA and he is one of the premiere "defense-only" defensemen in the entire NHL. Would Samuelsson really have commanded that much more after a bridge deal?
Seems like an unnecessary risk to maybe save a few 100k 3 or 4 years from now.
Last edited by Geeoff; 10-12-2022 at 09:47 AM.
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10-12-2022, 09:54 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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It is all about making a judgement on such a small sample size. Rasmus seems like a decent example of betting on upside, and he had more than 150 games when he signed his contract. This is on half a season.
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10-12-2022, 10:47 AM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
Samuelsson is awesome, lots of crack judgments from people who have never even heard of him let alone watched a Sabres game lol. This will be a good deal.
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Andersson in Calgary had played about 130 games I believe when he signed a similar deal. Reaction around the league was mostly "who's this guy?"
Feels like a similar situation here
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10-12-2022, 10:51 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: I don't belong here
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wood
Andersson in Calgary had played about 130 games I believe when he signed a similar deal. Reaction around the league was mostly "who's this guy?"
Feels like a similar situation here
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Ras played 160 games plus 15 playoff games.
So he had more than 3x the amount of games. Still a bit of an unknown and even some of us here felt it was a bit of a risk, but there was a lot more certainty to Andersson's contract than Samuelsson's.
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10-12-2022, 03:47 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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It’s risky, but he’s young and has shown promise. The cap hit isn’t that bad either. It honestly could be worse and the pay-off could be big
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10-12-2022, 04:44 PM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cowtown
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What was the rush to sign him to this amount? Were they going to lose him?
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