In the East they've had a good ten day stretch, but it sounds like they are re-grouping/re-supplying after taking Lyman, and intend to push through to Svatove/Kreminna soon.
Those boys in the north have got to be ####ing exhausted
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Those boys in the north have got to be ####ing exhausted
Without question they must be.
Logistics and rotation of fresher re-enforcements will be crucial. I have to imagine though that even through the fatigue, the morale boost associated with liberating your country from the Russians is substantial.
They need to balance the need to rest/re-supply with the tempo they've achieved and not allow the Russian's time to fortify. Keeping them on the back foot is huge.
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Logistics and rotation of fresher re-enforcements will be crucial. I have to imagine though that even through the fatigue, the morale boost associated with liberating your country from the Russians is substantial.
They need to balance the need to rest/re-supply with the tempo they've achieved and not allow the Russian's time to fortify. Keeping them on the back foot is huge.
I notice that as eager as I am for there to be continuous good news of advances there are 2- and 3-day breaks, we are in one now, where there is little news of advances, this is a good sign of Ukraine's decent resupplying and cautious approach I suspect
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I've never really believed that nukes will ever be used again after its first use by the Americans but I'm starting to wonder now if the recent push in the west that Putin is likely to use nukes because he's being cornered is really the west setting the stage and planting the seeds for some sort of pre-emptive move on Russia? Just seems like the rhetoric around Russia being more likely now to use its nukes has been ramped up quite a bit over the last two weeks.
I notice that as eager as I am for there to be continuous good news of advances there are 2- and 3-day breaks, we are in one now, where there is little news of advances, this is a good sign of Ukraine's decent resupplying and cautious approach I suspect
There is research around how long soldiers can make effective decisions to continue fighting. Effectively after 2 days you lose significant ability and after 3 you are essentially useless. I can’t remember now how long of recovery people need before being able to go again.
I've never really believed that nukes will ever be used again after its first use by the Americans but I'm starting to wonder now if the recent push in the west that Putin is likely to use nukes because he's being cornered is really the west setting the stage and planting the seeds for some sort of pre-emptive move on Russia? Just seems like the rhetoric around Russia being more likely now to use its nukes has been ramped up quite a bit over the last two weeks.
We should absolutely be concerned about a cornered Putin using nukes as he gets more cornered and desperate. There's no conspiracy there. There's not much rational about any of his moves so far, and a truly cornered Putin has only a few choices: Give up; Work out a compromise; tactically nuke Ukraine (which more than likely leads to a full scale nuclear war); launch a full scale nuclear attack; or get removed by his own country or in some kind of decapitation from the west (obviously this last one is not his choice).
Him winning this war without nukes doesn't seem like a realistic outcome anymore and neither does a surrender on his part. That leaves the realistic scenarios as being pretty terrifying for the world. As someone who hopes that his family gets to live out their life, I absolutely am in favor of any kind of successful pre-emptive strike that can end this, and hopefully that strike is just a non-nuclear one that gets rid of Putin.
This isn't a made up scenario of Iraq having WMDs. Putin has all the WMDs, and counting on him to value human life (russians and/or non-Russian) as the reason not use them seems very foolish and a bet that I'm not comfortable with.
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Tactical Nukes won’t help him win the war right now as it’s troops aren’t prepared for the nuclear battlefield. So that as an option is gone. So that leaves the Nuke Kyiv strategy as the only option for deployment of Nukes that may not immediately cause world destruction.
Any preemptive strike by NATO on Moscow that could credibility destroy Putin likely gets a nuclear reply.
I think watching the Wagner group leader who just started his own telegram group and the Chezchen leader starting to not be in lockstep with Russia is where the likely end game comes from.
Giving up/losing in this case literally means going home. Crimea aside.. you basically just go back in time like 8 months ago. I find it hard to believe anyone is going to start a nuclear war over that.
The US spent decades in Afghanistan and essetentially accomplished nothing.. gave power back to the Taliban so it's not like it hasn't been done before.
Tactical Nukes won’t help him win the war right now as it’s troops aren’t prepared for the nuclear battlefield. So that as an option is gone. So that leaves the Nuke Kyiv strategy as the only option for deployment of Nukes that may not immediately cause world destruction.
Any preemptive strike by NATO on Moscow that could credibility destroy Putin likely gets a nuclear reply.
I think watching the Wagner group leader who just started his own telegram group and the Chezchen leader starting to not be in lockstep with Russia is where the likely end game comes from.
I think the "tactical" part of tactical nukes is a bit of a euphemism, at least when they are in Putin's hands. They won't be used for battlefield advantages IMO.
If he thinks he is going to lose all of Ukraine, the tactical nukes will be used to level Ukraine to punish them and to sink the West into a money pit. Scorched earth has been a Russian policy in war for a thousand years. Putin is likely to say hey, if you want Ukraine, take it... as an irradiated wasteland with no value for at least decades. They have no issue with committing genocide or war crimes. While the radiation is less than large strategic nukes, it is still enough to be a huge concern and require a lot of restoration.
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There isnt anyway to de escalate this though, other than giving in to Russia which dooms the Baltic states and Poland to invasion at some point
Firstly, that's just an assumption and in reality would be figured out through negotiations and future relations. Secondly, take a step back and think about whether that's not very, very clearly a better situation than nuclear war.
If Biden actually believes there is a legitimate risk of nuclear war and is not working to de-escalate, then he's as much of a madman as Putin is.
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Firstly, that's just an assumption and in reality would be figured out through negotiations and future relations. Secondly, take a step back and think about whether that's not very, very clearly a better situation than nuclear war.
If Biden actually believes there is a legitimate risk of nuclear war and is not working to de-escalate, then he's as much of a madman as Putin is.
It's not just an assumption, Putin has been invading and killing hundreds of thousands in his attempt to rebuild the Russian Empire since the 2000's, if we are going to have a tactical nuclear war with him anywhere, assuming the Ukrainians are on board then this is the best place to do it, not in bloody Germany or Denmark, right on Russia's border where he is limited by the radioactive fallout and disruption to his own people
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It's not just an assumption, Putin has been invading and killing hundreds of thousands in his attempt to rebuild the Russian Empire since the 2000's, if we are going to have a tactical nuclear war with him anywhere, assuming the Ukrainians are on board then this is the best place to do it, not in bloody Germany or Denmark, right on Russia's border where he is limited by the radioactive fallout and disruption to his own people
It is an assumption. Neither you nor anyone else knows the future.
If these are the stakes, then it's an insane thing to risk. You want to be sure the Ukrainians are okay with it. How about the other 8 billion people on the planet whose lives would be dramatically changed by a local war suddenly turning into a global catastrophe?
Either Biden is being dishonest, or he believes it's a situation where failure to de-escalate risks immense, life-altering consequences for everyone. The moral imperative in a situation like that should be obvious.
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Either Biden is being dishonest, or he believes it's a situation where failure to de-escalate risks immense, life-altering consequences for everyone. The moral imperative in a situation like that should be obvious.
It's not up to Biden. You can't appease a madman like Putin, it's simply not possible. Give him Ukraine because he threatens nukes and then he starts targeting the other Baltic states. And then what if fat leader in North Korea gets the same idea? Would you let him have all of the Korean peninsula if he threatens Seoul with a nuke? How about China demanding the US leave Taiwan or they nuke Taipei? If you give in to one lunatic's demands simply for threatening nuclear war, then the entire planet goes to #### regardless
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For those suggesting appeasement to avoid nuclear war, how do you suggest Biden go about doing this?
Tell Zelensky to stop liberating towns? Ignore the torture that is likely happening to his citizens behind the current battle lines?
And once the treaties are done, will Putin just stop there? In 5 years when troops and equipment levels are back, will be not just invade Ukraine for the 3rd time? And Georgia? Moldova?
Then he goes into Poland because that is part of Russian traditional land that he wants and no escalation or fighting back can be done or he'll nuke! Don't fight back because he's got nukes!
I too fear a nuclear war, but I'm not sure how giving in to him will prevent that
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