Hockey Canada, CHL settle lawsuit over alleged sexual assault involving WJ players

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's funny. Like rank and file HC coaches would even care if it's a new org. I bet Canada Blood Services literally hired all the RNs and techs.

It is the same story when taxpayers are being asked to bail out big businesses that took stupid risks. The argument is always to protect the front-line jobs, which is a lie. If the services are needed, someone else will do it and hire those same people back. The only thing that is lost when these companies go bankrupt is executive bonuses and shareholder value.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

What is stopping the a few community associations like Bow Valley, Crowfoot, McKnight, Simons Valley etc from getting together and just breaking away from HC and starting a non-affiliated league?

Does HC actually provide much funding to them? It seems the opposite is true where these associations have to pay money to HC.

Icetime contracts.

Who/where/when & how much. Hockey Calgary enables more collective rather than individual work on issues like this.

Community leagues are typically given first dibs on ice, but you’re negotiating with different entities. Community association, independent rink boards, the City, or private operations etc.

Basically, it isn’t easy, simple, or straightforward. This work is volunteer enabled, but a reset of how things are operated is overdue.

More sharing and collective work between all associations could be completed to pool resources, minimize redundant actions/conversations/activities and mitigate waste while producing better and more options for players/families.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Goriders

It’s just political theatre and character assassination at this point.

Nitpicking an association for supplying championship rings. Give me a break.

How much registration money do you feel is appropriate to be used for sexual assault settlements and shiny toys for executives?

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Unfortunately they would. Many of the private leagues are know for being shady AF. They’re basically for profit businesses that prey on gullible parents.

Ultimately it’s about transparency and value provided. These organizations wouldn’t have the oxygen to exist if Hockey Canada/Calgary/Alberta actually had their stuff together.

They’re not perfect either, but when national/provincial/municipal organizations are dropping the ball they provide an option.

It isn’t the option anyone wants. However, when the highest level association is more focused on winning international tournaments then actually developing proper options and knowledge of physical literacy to coach, teach and learn the sport… alternative leagues becomes more attractive.

Sweden has as many registered amateur hockey players as Alberta.

Canada as a northern country is generally terrible at developing players. We lose potential players for any number of reasons while relying on high volumes of kids playing to then lazily skim off top talent instead of maximizing the athletic ability of each child.

[dustygoon]

So this lady is saying we keep HC as is because she's worried about the lights staying on?

HC management shake-up is focused on change at high level management. No one is asking to fire the day to day folks. Let's keep bad people in their seats because who knows what could happen if we fire them? WTF.

How does this idiot get that board seat? She isn't even good at deflecting blame properly.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Goriders

It’s just political theatre and character assassination at this point.

Nitpicking an association for supplying championship rings. Give me a break.

Oh yeah. Totally normal for board members to get a $3000 ring every time a Canadian team wins something. And $5000 dinners are totally normal as are $3000 a night hotel rooms. Nothing to see here.

[Mccree]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

it is almost surreal listing to some of the stuff skinner is saying.

suggesting the lights in arenas may go out if the leadership team at HC is tossed. Seems to me that they have a very over inflated opinion of themselves relative to the happenings at local arenas

I would like to suggested if less money is sent to HC the lights in the arena are more likely to stay on. Sending money to HC only helps Elite Hockey players at the cost to grassroots.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Organized minor hockey is generally geared to be a feeder system for the pros despite the tiny percentage of players it produces. Many things are overlooked or hidden with its "Win At All Costs" mentality.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

So this lady is saying we keep HC as is because she's worried about the lights staying on?

HC management shake-up is focused on change at high level management. No one is asking to fire the day to day folks. Let's keep bad people in their seats because who knows what could happen if we fire them? WTF.

How does this idiot get that board seat? She isn't even good at deflecting blame properly.

She’s Jeff Skinner’s sister for one. But it is stark how a practicing lawyer can use such ridiculous language at the highest stage.

Groupthink 101 at Hockey Canada.

It is becoming clearer by the day why Bob Nicholson fit like a glove in the Oiler cesspool of Groupthink.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

How much registration money do you feel is appropriate to be used for sexual assault settlements and shiny toys for executives?

They create a budget for awards. They can do what they want.

They were going to get sued and settled out of court. What else are they supposed to do.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Organized minor hockey is generally geared to be a feeder system for the pros despite the tiny percentage of players it produces. Many things are overlooked or hidden with its "Win At All Costs" mentality.

That’s not true

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I get what you are saying. But what do you expect the organization to do to avoid issues in the future. I think everyone knows that rape is against the law. But there are still sexual assualts and rapes. Do you think if new leaders are put in place that all sexual assualts and rapes in the world will stop?

I doubt that will happen.

I think the only thing I would change would be to let the legal system deal with the perpetrators rather than sheltering them. Guessing they were being sheltered because the victims included hockey canada in subsequent legal action. They were probably trying to minimize potential payouts.

I highly doubt the current leadership is saying rape away.

Even with completely new people involved, sexual assault might still happen. We are talking about a bunch of horny boys subscribing to group think.

However, they are literally covering it up, and then their cover up is exposed, they turn around and say 'we did nothing wrong.'

Which is strange, because most NORMAL human beings would probably call pay offs to silence assault victims very wrong.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Boreal

She’s Jeff Skinner’s sister for one. But it is stark how a practicing lawyer can use such ridiculous language at the highest stage.

She's at a large national law firm. Her statements are so embarrassing, if I was partner at that firm, I would be suggesting that I'd be leaving if she didn't resign. Assuming that was an option for me.

I think her statements are that bad.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

She's at a large national law firm. Her statements are so embarrassing, if I was partner at that firm, I would be suggesting that I'd be leaving if she didn't resign. Assuming that was an option for me.

I think her statements are that bad.

I had thought (somewhat cynically) she was brought in as a female face in light of the settlement. But she was on HC's board since 2021, so she was part of the settlement decision.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Goriders

They create a budget for awards. They can do what they want.

They were going to get sued and settled out of court. What else are they supposed to do.

The problem isn't that they chose to settle vs go to court.
The problem is that they've been covering it up and staying quite about it.

In an organization as big as HC, you're going to have people that cause problems, that's not unique to HC or any other organization, and that's not the issue.
The issue is that instead of speaking publicly about those people/incidents, and trying to prevent more in the future, they chose to cover it up, which creates a terrible culture.

For most organizations the problem was that there was an incident, and fixing it would mean doing what they can to make sure it didn't happen again.

For HC the problem was that people might find out there was an incident, and fixing it meant making sure no one did.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Goriders

They create a budget for awards. They can do what they want.

They were going to get sued and settled out of court. What else are they supposed to do.

They could forgo a budget for awards.

They could spend more time trying to prevent getting sued in the future instead of accepting it as a necessary cost of doing business.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Azure

Even with completely new people involved, sexual assault might still happen. We are talking about a bunch of horny boys subscribing to group think.

However, they are literally covering it up, and then their cover up is exposed, they turn around and say 'we did nothing wrong.'

Which is strange, because most NORMAL human beings would probably call pay offs to silence assault victims very wrong.

The victim agreed to the settlement and had legal council. That’s not covering something up. She could have gone to court.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They could forgo a budget for awards.

They could spend more time trying to prevent getting sued in the future instead of accepting it as a necessary cost of doing business.

As I asked above. How?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Maybe time to rename the thread now. It's a much wider topic.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Would Hockey Canada face sanctions in international tournaments? Like force the board to step down or they are suspended from international play. That would probably get a lot of players and others on board putting the pressure on.

It really shouldn't come to that, but it seems like the CEO and board are stubborn and disgusting people.