[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Still don't understand the he didn't ask to be traded. Tkachuk explored the RFA market and decided he wanted to leave. Even the list he provided most teams had cap issues anyways. It's common sense, he said he wasn't coming back and the logical thing to do was to trade him for both our benefit and his, so he may have not explicitly said trade me his actions indicated he wanted out.

I honestly believe that Gaudreau was THAT conflicted about what to do right up to the last minute. He didn't ask for a trade earlier because Calgary was still a real option for him to return to.

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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I honestly believe that Gaudreau was THAT conflicted about what to do right up to the last minute. He didn't ask for a trade earlier because Calgary was still a real option for him to return to.

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And many of us have probably been in similar situations.

Years ago I knew I needed to make a career pivot but was debating between going back to school for broadcasting, and an opportunity I had to go work in an interesting role for the City. Completely different paths and I was conflicted.


I played both scenarios out, applying to MRC for broadcasting and interviewing for the position. Nowhere along the way did i tell the city about my conflict as that would have taken me out of it, and I wanted the option as I wasn't sure. It went all the way to the offer, and when that happened, and in the moment I had to sign that offer or not, I realized it wasn't the path for me.



I remember calling the (from a payphone!) and letting them know and they were PISSED and said that I had lead them on. But until that moment I didn't know for sure.



The ONLY thing I fault Johnny for is, if he was not sure, he should not have told the Flames what the deal would need to be for him to accept. I think that is the one part where he misled them. If you are going to make that offer, you need to know you will sign it, otherwise do not. But there could also have been some agent pressure there, as the agent would have been motivated to get the deal done with the Flames as they were going to pay the most.



Ultimately Johnny did what is right for his family and himself, and I have no issue with that. I think he could have gone about it a little better, but whatever. At the end of the day it may end up being the best thing for him and the Flames.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I honestly believe that Gaudreau was THAT conflicted about what to do right up to the last minute. He didn't ask for a trade earlier because Calgary was still a real option for him to return to.

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He knew exactly what he was doing and that was leaving. He didn't know his destination but my gut tells me it was Philly but they fumbled the opportunity. Again he was a free agent he can choose to do whatever he likes go to whatever team he wants, the only part that I have a issue with is he lied and strung the team along for 2.5 months and his dumb comments afterwards.

Before the 115 point season a lot of people wanted change and he was one of them. He made the hard decision for us by leaving and letting us change the team and I think the majority of people are happy with the group we have now. Johnny never really strung together two good consecutive seasons so this upcoming season at 10.5 with him coming back was a huge question mark for me.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Philly didn't fumble. They had no interest because just adding Johnny, at that price, doesn't change much for them.

I do agree though that Johnny probably though and offer would be coming from them...until it didn't.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Philly didn't fumble. They had no interest because just adding Johnny, at that price, doesn't change much for them.

I do agree though that Johnny probably though and offer would be coming from them...until it didn't.

I'm not sure what Philly is doing they seem to be a mess.

I do agree with your above post, he did what he had to for his family and himself. It's just how he went about it that is kind of the piss off.

At the end of the day we are just stating our opinions based on the information available, only he knows what was in his head and heart. I just don't think being close to family would be a last minute decision. He also might have the same issue a lot of people have including myself and that's letting people down by giving them an answer that they don't want to hear. I know I've done that and picking up the phone to make that call causes a lot of anxiety.

[Strange Brew]

A lot changed for Gaudreau in his personal life over the last year plus any trade request needed to be made last summer.

From what I have read, Gaudreau’s camp was more interested in a long term deal last summer than the Flames were, so maybe the question of “why not a trade” should be directed towards the organization and not the player.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He knew exactly what he was doing and that was leaving. He didn't know his destination but my gut tells me it was Philly but they fumbled the opportunity. Again he was a free agent he can choose to do whatever he likes go to whatever team he wants, the only part that I have a issue with is he lied and strung the team along for 2.5 months and his dumb comments afterwards.

We don't know everything that happened. None of us do. You may be right about how this played out, but this is far from certain. I would prefer in the absence of firm information to give people the benefit of the doubt before jumping to conclusions and calling them a liar. This is how I would prefer to be treated. Wouldn't you?


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[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

At the end of the day it may end up being the best thing for him and the Flames.

This last part is what I've been thinking about throughout everything this summer. While Treliving has demonstrated that he's not the type to refuse to admit he made a wrong move due to ego, by correcting mistakes shortly after (see James Neal, Troy Brouwer, etc.), I think he really believed in Johnny and to a lesser extent, Tkachuk, as two pieces that could be part of a team that wins it all in Calgary. He had his hand forced by Johnny's decision and then Tkachuk after, and it might be what the Flames needed to do to build a champion, but I feel wasn't Treliving's belief. Total speculation on my part but I also think Treliving truly felt he had a deal with Johnny and going through that experience will make him a better GM going forward, albeit maybe more ruthless when it comes to things a player says to him in private about wanting to stay.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I'm not sure what Philly is doing they seem to be a mess.

This is what Torts is doing in Philly...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1573322436921229313

https://twitter.com/user/status/1573074299304673281

Not really sure if bag skates work in training camp other than make some players loathe the coach, but I'm not a coach and Torts is a good one.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

A lot changed for Gaudreau in his personal life over the last year plus any trade request needed to be made last summer.

From what I have read, Gaudreau’s camp was more interested in a long term deal last summer than the Flames were, so maybe the question of “why not a trade” should be directed towards the organization and not the player.

I think it’s more that the Flames’ long term deal was based on the Gaudreau performances in the previous two seasons and his notion was the season before them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

We don't know everything that happened. None of us do. You may be right about how this played out, but this is far from certain. I would prefer in the absence of firm information to give people the benefit of the doubt before jumping to conclusions and calling them a liar. This is how I would prefer to be treated. Wouldn't you?


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Only Johnny knows. Agreed, and we should move on anyways. How everything played out I think it was best he leave and give himself and us a new look.

[Kidder]

Originally Posted by activeStick

This is what Torts is doing in Philly...

....

Not really sure if bag skates work in training camp other than make some players loathe the coach, but I'm not a coach and Torts is a good one.

This feels similar to what Darryl was doing in Calgary last year. Pushing the pace of training camp, setting a new standard of conditioning for the team.

It’s why these sort of coaches have a shelf life, but also why they’re so effective during that life.

Bet Johnny sees this and is somewhat grateful Philly didn’t work out. Though Sutter showed this is the environment Gaudreau does best in.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by activeStick

This is what Torts is doing in Philly...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1573322436921229313

https://twitter.com/user/status/1573074299304673281

Not really sure if bag skates work in training camp other than make some players loathe the coach, but I'm not a coach and Torts is a good one.

I don't know, but seeing that makes me appreciate Sutter that much more. People thought the old farmer was coming here to bag skate guys and beat them up but that wasn't the case at all. Just shows how he's able to adapt which I was unsure about as well. The guy might be the greatest coach of all time.

[PepsiFree]

The best part about the endless Johnny debate from people who can’t let it go (even the new accounts, fun!) is the idea that a communications degree somehow automatically means he should be a good public speaker or have every right answer for every interview on the spot.

Spoken like people who have no idea what communications is, what getting a degree entails, and are somehow confused thinking his job is in PR, not playing in the NHL.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Kidder

This feels similar to what Darryl was doing in Calgary last year. Pushing the pace of training camp, setting a new standard of conditioning for the team.

It’s why these sort of coaches have a shelf life, but also why they’re so effective during that life.

Bet Johnny sees this and is somewhat grateful Philly didn’t work out. Though Sutter showed this is the environment Gaudreau does best in.

Darryl didn't bag skate them in camp. He wanted them come to camp in better condition so they can play with pace. I don't think Darryl keeps guys going after practice either, he pushes you for the 45 minutes and that carries over to game play.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

https://www.nhl.com/news/johnny-gaud...ld/c-335676784

Maybe Johnny just really doesn't like doing things until the last minute. I chuckled a bit reading this article where it reads they will welcome their baby into the world this week but still have not built any "baby stuff". I remember my wife had me have our son's room fully ready and stocked 5 months before the due date.

Exciting times for the Gaudreau family, wishing his wife and baby the best of health.

The article said they have all their baby stuff. The article said they just bought a new house and are moving in. No wonder the nursery is not ready.

[Kidder]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Darryl didn't bag skate them in camp. He wanted them come to camp in better condition so they can play with pace. I don't think Darryl keeps guys going after practice either, he pushes you for the 45 minutes and that carries over to game play.

I recall Sutter stopping drills when they weren’t performed at an acceptable pace and skating the team hard for a few minutes to correct the issue.

Not sure if Torts is doing the same sort of thing, or just picturing them all as Brooksies and asserting his dominance.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Kidder

This feels similar to what Darryl was doing in Calgary last year.

No. It doesn't.

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[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by activeStick

This is what Torts is doing in Philly…
Not really sure if bag skates work in training camp other than make some players loathe the coach, but I'm not a coach and Torts is a good one.

They’re toast this year, it’s basically a write off. This is all for next offseason. Setting the tone.

[Kidder]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No. It doesn't.

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https://globalnews.ca/news/8262158/c...eadership/amp/

Sutter’s blunt assessment of the Flames to conclude last season was the team couldn’t execute at a pace the league demands.

A training camp of hard skates rectified that.

“Better-conditioned and a faster-paced team,” Sutter said.